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If he retired this season I think Ohthani should get an exception for 5 years hitting, 5 years pitching. And he should get in as best pitcher hitter because there are so few comparisons. kind of like how Devin Hester will eventually get into the football hall of fame as a kick returner.
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Since the HoF requires a minimum of ten years MLB service time for admission, 0htani won't be getting in any time soon. Unless he shells out the twenty-eight bucks for the entrance fee like the rest of us.
As for his never playing in the post season, there's a bunch of Hall of Famers (about 10 or 12?) who never did.
Montreal Repos on
September 5, 2023 1:44 PM
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Sorry I didn’t include his nearly 12 fWAR for pitching so he’s over 31 total fWAR. Better than I initially thought but I think still some way for him to go. If he could get to something closer to 50 fWAR over a 10 year stretch that might be a good enough peak.
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I love Ohtani and he is definitely on a HOF track but not there yet. About 20 career fWAR so far. Are we really prepared to put him into the company of Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, Harold Baines and David Ortiz? Ohtani is close to having the right kind of “peak” necessary but the longevity just isn’t there yet. If he’s going to not be viewed as a DH I think he needs to come back from this UCL injury and pitch well for a little while still. He’s very unique and I love the guy, just not there yet
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I think it's just a question of how many ballots. He's -30,000 odds to win MVP this year and that should clinch it
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s already HOF bound but regardless doubt that he needs 6-8 more really good years. 1 or 2 probably clinches it.
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Ohtani isn't in the Hall of Fame yet, let alone undisputed. Well on his way, but still needs to put in 6-8 more very good years.
Winnetka Twins on
September 5, 2023 10:51 AM
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Ohthani is crazier for going out of his way to pick the angels. Ohthani and Trout are undisputed hall of famers even if they retired today, but I wonder if anyone in the HOF has less post season experience.
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Doesn’t seem likely to add to that total any time soon either. Even if the Angels could ever make the playoffs, 50/50 he’d be injured.
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Crazier than Mike Trout's 3 career playoff games in 13 seasons?
Winnetka Twins on
September 4, 2023 10:17 AM
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Pretty crazy Ohtani hasn't been to the playoffs yet.
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I have no problem with announcers giving him all the praise possible all the time. We've never seen anything close to what he is doing.
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As long as you can mute the broadcasts when the announcers are blowing him.
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It seems Ohtani’s UCL said enough is enough, was still an incredible run by him these past few years. Hoping he can still keep hitting. Baseball is definitely better with him on the field.
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Yeah those guys haven’t exactly been rays of sunshine this week. Also makes the J-Rod trade sting more, he’s been taking and Shane is done until 2025 and Bryce hasn’t come around yet. Still have a shot but Squirrels is in a good spot. I need more pitching if anyone wants to deal!
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Real tough break for Walnut Hill this past few weeks losing McClanahan and Wander Franco.
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I was so close to sitting Michael Lorenzen today.
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This makes me want to trade for Ramirez @pickoffPicks. What a clean shot
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If you guys get a chance check out the White Sox Guardians game. A huge fight occurred. Jose Ramirez and Tim Anderson, Ramirez hit Anderson squarely on the chin and knocked him on his ass.
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Thanks, Squirrels. Here’s to hoping I can make these last 2 months interesting!
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Gotta give some props to Tumbleweed Futures for hanging around. Would probably be pacing to win a lot of leagues right now.
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Anyone want to take a shot on Severino? He isn't getting another start for me this season.
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Squirrels is pulling away and definitely in the driver's seat but I am still not throwing in the towel. Open to discussions involving aces/good-great RP's or other clear positional upgrades to try to make a push towards the end. However, if the gap between us on a rate basis continues to grow I will be less and less inclined to attempt to acquire the rental or elite but cut type players.
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I know pickoff is still very bullish on torkelson and Mize. 5 I think is fair Market value but agreed that all high draft picks should go above true point value considering best case they enter the majors in 1.5 Years.
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Skenes went for 21 in one of my leagues. I know I just traded, but only would have moved for some one I really value like carter and was planning on holding. Think Skenes ceiling is worth the risk and If had signs of trouble could drop at end of the season and reset price in auction.
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Yeah I have to agree. That is setting a very high bar for what Skenes needs to accomplish. There are only 21 starting pitchers who are currently over $15, so for him to be worth $16, he basically needs to be a top-25 SP which is a pretty high bar for someone who just got drafted. Granted, the ceiling for Skenes is super high, so I understand the inclination to take that kind of shot on him. Not saying it's a stupid move or has no chance to pay off, but I sure wouldn't pay that much for him.
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IMO, $16 is way too much for Skenes and even $5 for Langford is too much. Anyone remember Mize? Torkelson? Two years ago Langford wasn't even starting in college.
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Granted I had 4 starting pitchers, but a win is a win!
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It is going to be really interesting to see how things shake up next season. Walnut and I going all in feels like it will almost do a hard reset for the league and open up the door for almost anyone to build a competitive team over the next two years. We will probably set some sort of record for the least amount of keepers on the top two teams in the league.
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Not that I think any comments are intended to reference me, but I did a quick audit yesterday of trades I've made since taking over the past offseason. I'm pleased with my success rate and generally think my team is set up well to take a step forward.
Exeter Velos on
July 14, 2023 12:51 PM
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I especially don't have a problem with longterm owners like Squirrels that go all in. New owners that swoop in and grab a team with promising players and prospects that sell them off for a one year crash and burn all-in and then leave the following year are not good for a league.
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It takes two for trades ! Blame the other owners in this league lol
Wreckers on
July 14, 2023 11:34 AM
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Still rooting for the underdogs though
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Agreed all my trades with Squirrells were fair at time of trade and in retrospect feel like healthy mix of win losses and ties. And I know we talked about Rule change but do not support. Going all in on a single season happens in real life, has risk and makes for better off season auction.
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Thanks, Winnetka! I'm still upset it didn't get me past the OPL cut, but hopefully it can get me my first league win!
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I went over every single trade that Squirrels was in this year and there isn't a single one that stands out as being one-sided. He just made a large number of trades where he was trading a slightly underpriced player for a more expensive player (less valuable as a keeper) that was projected to a do a little better. 100% fair and what trades should be, a potential win/win for both sides. I tip my cap to him, job well done for constructing a great roster.
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Anyone who spends 200 above cap should be expected to have all star team. That's why I always used to root against Yankees and now Mets. But Agreed it takes a lot of moves to get the extra loans and the reset is what makes the strategy fair game. Walnuts and squirrels went all in on this year.
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No worries Wham, just felt I needed to defend myself a little there. Also, I don't think the rule is that bad. In my 8 years of Ottoneu I have never seen anyone do what I have done (to this degree at least), and even with it I still didn't make the final OPL cut, and there is still a very reasonable chance I don't win this league. On top of that it is possible that I feel the repercussions of doing this to my team for the next several seasons with what I have traded away to get here.
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The problem isn't Squirrel, indeed it takes a lot of work to achieve what he did with his roster, maybe you're right, we should all try to do it, but it's the rule that permits us to have so much money over the cap without limit that bugs me in this league and any other league. Sorry if I offended you Squirrel, you deserve the congrats.
Boo Birds on
July 11, 2023 9:53 AM
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I'm also impressed by Flying's team. It takes work to get in a strong position, build up trade capital, and negotiate big moves. Plenty of merit in executing a successful strategy to compete.
Exeter Velos on
July 11, 2023 8:28 AM
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Anyone could? Why does nobody else then? You're probably right, we should put an asterisk next to my name if I win the league, I totally didn't earn it. I definitely haven't spent 8 years and countless hours trying different strategies to finally (maybe) win a league.
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Pretty easy with a 674$ cap, anyone could have a roster like his with all those loans, no merit there, sorry
Boo Birds on
July 11, 2023 12:34 AM
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I actually think Squirrels roster is better than the AL All Star Starting lineup
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Ouch, that stings, sorry to hear that. At least you are on pace to beat me here!
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I was #1 out of 240 in salary... if anything that makes it worse.
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As a consolation, you probably made the top ten in salary.
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I just missed the final OPL cut by less than 7 points... had been in the top 20 most of the season but dropped back last week or so and barely didn't make the top 32 for the cut. Was above the cut line with less than an hour of baseball left too.
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And have been holding on to my lead in triples. Trying to build a winning culture
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I won July 5th. This is turning into a monthly thing
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Actually it was .03.
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