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• My best guess is you are netting 1 player in the trade putting you at 21. I am guessing you have bids on all 4 players up for auction putting you at 25, and you are getting that message when attempting to nominate someone for auction?
  Barles Charkley at Feb 7, 2023 10:51 AM
• Has anyone run into an issue where it says your team is over roster limits despite having open roster spots? On my team home page it shows 5 open roster spots, but it is telling me I am over roster limits and have to cut a player.
  Cheeseburgers at the Club at Feb 7, 2023 10:45 AM
• Who got drunk while watching college basketball today?
  Barles Charkley at Jan 14, 2023 6:12 PM
• I guess you’re right that there is a draft I almost don’t even think of it that way because it’s not a snake draft so feels more just like an auction but I see what you’re saying… Also, thanks for your input on the other trade for what it’s worth I declined it
  Jerry Steakhouse at Jan 11, 2023 4:40 PM
• There is no benefit to tanking, but there is a draft every year. Regarding the trade in your other league I would probably wait for more information if you aren't in the running. I think I would likely end up throwing Sabonis back into the draft next year rather than pay $72+ for him, and I feel like you could probably get those other two guys in the draft for cheaper unless he decides to keep them. Given that player salary goes up between $3-$36 per year depending on arbitration age isn't a huge factor for me. I like the Butler side of that deal better for this year, and next year but I am assuming Sabonis and Butler continue their current production so far through the end of the year and next year.
  Barles Charkley at Jan 10, 2023 9:57 AM
• In one of my other leagues, I’m one of those teams not going anywhere and I’ve received an offer that I can’t make a decision on. Basically I have Sabonis at $69 and someone is asking for him & loan for $20 for butler & Middleton at $50 & $20 respectively along w/ a couple solid $1 players as filler … so in this case, I would be building depth but they would be significantly older depth
  Jerry Steakhouse at Jan 9, 2023 4:05 PM
• The tanking equivalent here is to dump your higher priced guys along with a $ loan to teams trying to win now. You're either freeing up much more $ for next year's auction, or getting younger less expensive guys to build around.
  Otto Twenty at Jan 9, 2023 11:06 AM
• I agree that in your first year in this style of league, you don’t realize how important depth is, but since I was in some leagues last year, I was able to adjust my strategy for this league and then that second utility spot only made it more important
  
  The one thing that I was wondering about though is am I correct in thinking that there is not really any benefit to tanking since we don’t do a draft ?
  Jerry Steakhouse at Jan 9, 2023 11:01 AM
• Depth is huge. I've run into the same on several occasions. And saving for Util on Sundays you run into issues with only two spots too. It's a balance game.
  Extraordinary Magnitude at Dec 30, 2022 12:49 AM
• I had a couple of weeks where I left a game or two on the table for several of my teams when one of my guys suddenly sat out a Saturday or Sunday game. Especially at those hybrid spots. Have an F/C sit on saturday? Tough shit pal, because I already had an F/C lined up for Sunday. Can't make that game up. Learned to use all those single starter spots up early in the week instead of saving those versatile slots for later. And the rule change this year adding an additional utility spot in the lineup has placed more value on depth.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 1:42 PM
• I’m not sure about the rest of you this year, but I haven’t ever experienced the kind of constant injuries in fantasy sports that I am having this year. Granted I haven’t played fantasy basketball since before “load management” was a thing, but it feels like I have had 4-5 of my top 10 out every week starting in week 2. I severely underestimated the need for depth by not accounting for how many games it seems every player misses these days.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 29, 2022 12:22 PM
• I expect we will see some very “unfair” trades near the end of the year when some owners trade away both better players and cap to the teams wanting to make a playoff push in exchange for players at lower price points to build value in exchange for points. I think it’s safe to assume every owner is trying to improve their team in some way by filling either an immediate or future need. I believe Ottoneu plays closer to a redraft league with the option for 25 keepers provided the cap space, and not at all as a dynasty league. The mandatory salary increases on all players and arbitration will make it so every team can be competitive every year. I believe you would need quite a few All-Stars at dirt cheap prices to really have a strong advantage year over year, and based on the prices people are willing to pay for bench players just to get 15-20ppg guys in these FA auctions to fill holes from injuries I don’t see that happening.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 29, 2022 12:16 PM
• Otto, it's nice to be in a league with a competent Commish! I think this was handled really well. And I'm in the same boat with a struggling team. Depending on how I'm doing closer to the playoffs, Jokic might even be available so get your blockbuster offers ready.
  Cheeseburgers at the Club at Dec 29, 2022 11:42 AM
• Sorry for any part I played in all the drama. To be clear, going forward. 7 votes to veto. Abstain is equivalent to approve. (I too had not seen that before) And for background on motivations - I live in Southern Georgia. The closest NBA team to my home is the Magic. I was at a Raptors game in Orlando recently. I've got great seats for the Pelican game next month and the Pacers game in Feb. So I was happy when I saw Paolo on his trading block. Looked at his roster, deduced that he needed a big man. Only big men I had to offer were rudy or Mobley. Offered Rudy. Here we are. I give you my word there was no collusion whatsoever. I'm still competing, but struggling. If I'm still out of the playoffs near the deadline, everyone in contention can expect tons of offers from me on all my high priced guys. Including Paolo. That's the ottoneu way to success.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 11:21 AM
• Paolo Banchero for Mayor!
  Barles Charkley at Dec 29, 2022 11:12 AM
• I’m also quite shocked at the Banchero love at his current price. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like Rudy at his current price either, but at least he has shown he can be a 40 ppg player at the C position which has higher scarcity. Ol Paulo is priced too high for his current production and even if you believe he will improve his PPG next year he goes up by a minimum $3 in price + any amount he may gain in arbitration from Banchero lovers. Not that it matters because it isn’t my team (s), but I would take Rudy for this year if I had cap, and I would throw both of them back into the draft next year regardless. I share that to point out how vastly different individual evaluations of the same players/trades can be. I would also point out that I don’t like Goebert much either. The reaction I saw, you would think Banchero is some future 50ppg world beater that is locked in at his current price and will be healthy and productive for the next 12 years.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 29, 2022 11:01 AM
• I didn't know that abstain=no veto was a formal thing, though that's always been my position. That makes the most sense - if you don't care enough to log in and veto it's hard to argue that you are anything but indifferent to the trade. I try to approve trades when I see them, but in the extremely rare circumstances when I have a problem I make sure to log in and veto (I think this has happened in like .5% of the trades I've ever seen). Having the trade go through by process of lack of veto is absolutely the right result.
  Who wants to sex Mutombo? at Dec 29, 2022 10:45 AM
• The only reason I didn’t actually vote yes is because the rules state that by not voting, my abstain counts as a yes. Given that trades require a majority of No votes to be reversed there really shouldn’t be a need to go in and confirm that I “approve” of owners making their own trades. I am disappointed that 2 owners voted against a non collusive trade because they didn’t like it and attempted to manage other owners teams.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 29, 2022 10:42 AM
• This is my first year doing Ottoneu basketball after a couple years of baseball. Gotta say the basketball version has been way funnier.
  Health Watch at Dec 29, 2022 10:38 AM
• That’s a good resolution. To be clear, I was not “fired up” about it. I thought it was bad for the original Banchero owner, but it didn’t make me mad or fired up. I think it was handled fine and I think the commish has a lot of integrity.
  Time Lord at Dec 29, 2022 10:32 AM
• Looks like it's being reinstated anyway. Here's the thread on Ottoneu community for all to follow if interested. https://community.ottoneu.com/t/trade-vetoed-by-league-need-to-reverse-a-loan/12398
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 10:27 AM
• Jesus. Now San Martin thinks I want the trade voided? The same trade I offered, I accepted, and I defended. That is ridiculous. Let Niv correct the loan situation. I'll resubmit the same offer to San Martin. Then please everyone vote on whether or not to veto. I will abstain.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 9:38 AM
• I think we should have the deal reattempted with everyone on hand to vote on it again with a majority vote carrying the decision for this one time. Going forward we institute the 7 vote veto threshold. This way we're not changing the rule after the fact for this one deal but still allowing the whole league to be heard.
  Who wants to sex Mutombo? at Dec 29, 2022 9:22 AM
• so you are gonna veto my trade and change the rules going forward , that seems fair. and how does it not favor you when you said it would leave you shorthanded at center????
  San Martin Sixers at Dec 29, 2022 9:10 AM
• I'd like to echo the comments from Shaq and Barles Charkley. Vetos should never be used except in cases of collusion. I think the issue comes down to the definition of "unfair". There is so much unknown in all fantasy sports, and I think it's easy for people to overvalue their own ability to project players forward. Two owners should be able to make a deal even if a majority of owners might not fully understand the reasoning behind it. I've run into this exact situation in another one of my leagues, where I was gave up a 20 ppg scorer (Malik Beasley) for the OG backcourt thief TJ McConnell. I didn't need the points or the 3s, and I valued assists and stls much higher because they're more difficult stats to find on the waiver wire. Unfortunately, the trade was vetoed twice and really ruined the league for me.
  
  Otto, I apologize for not voting on the trade, but like others, I just woke up to this message thread. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I wonder if there is a way to get rid of the automatic voting on all trades. I don't see why if there is a trade that seems like collusion we could not all discuss it on the message board and then have a vote to uphold or veto if necessary. Or in the alternative, I agree with Dray that 7 vetoes should be required to invalidate a trade.
  Cheeseburgers at the Club at Dec 29, 2022 9:07 AM
• This is my own fault for not messaging each of you individually to encourage voting participation. No big deal. I plead with those of you offended by this to not leave the league. Just keep competing. Also, somebody please shoot San Martin an offer with a center in it! He needs one badly.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 8:57 AM
• I think the reversal of this deal is sort of ridiculous. Not quite a dealbreaker for me league-participation wise, but pretty close. Furthermore, I wonder if it makes sense to attempt to redo the deal and have an actual league wide vote on veto so that the vote represents more than 3 people. I suspect that if everyone were to weigh in this trade would go through.
  Who wants to sex Mutombo? at Dec 29, 2022 8:44 AM
• Fwiw I assumed 7 veto votes were required and think 7 should be required.
  Time Lord at Dec 29, 2022 8:20 AM
• fwiw, I never would have reversed it had it not been my own team involved. Commissioner can't favor his own team. I'll continue to hold my own team's deals to the same standard going forward. But as for trades that do not involve my team, no other trades are going to be vetoed in this league without at least 6 veto votes.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 8:15 AM
• I didn't get a chance to weigh in on this, work has been crazy. I only noticed this discussion when I woke up to 9 new comments. This is my first year playing fantasy basketball of any kind (I play a bit of Otto baseball) so I don't really have a reliable opinion on the value of players. Therefore I can't comment on whether the trade is fair or lopsided. I do however have an opinion on what should and shouldn't happen in Otto trades in general and can offer what my take is on it. Broadly speaking I believe that trades should only be vetoed when there is clear collusion between managers (what Barles said)- like where one player is clearly gifting a player to another manager. I DON'T believe trades should be vetoed just because you disagree with the other managers valuations. Managers are free to make dumb trades (again, I'm not offering that judgement here, I really have no idea), they aren't free to collude. That said, I wouldn't have vetoed this if that matters (I would've made it a tie).
  Who wants to sex Mutombo? at Dec 29, 2022 7:30 AM
• Wait really? I was the only one who “Approved” the trade? I think the teams involved are able to vote as well, lol.
  Health Watch at Dec 29, 2022 7:27 AM
• Trade has been reversed. Loan that accompanied it has not. That leaves me over the cap limit, and has my roster frozen. San Martin it now shows you with the extra cap space that should belong to me, so please don't add anyone else to your team just yet. I'll reach out to Niv to ask him to reverse the loan amount. Once he does, that should restore us both to where we were before the deal.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 6:56 AM
• Wow. Only 3 people cared enough to bother to even vote on the trade. That's disappointing. Vote was 2-1 in favor of veto. I think it's complete horseshit, but I will reverse the trade.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 29, 2022 6:37 AM
• There should NEVER be a vote against any trade unless it’s collusion. This isn’t collusion and voting on other teams trades based on how you feel about them defeats the essence of what fantasy sports is. Veto is only made available to prevent collusion and not to allow people to try to manage other people’s trades. I will vote yes for every single trade regardless of how I feel about it, and if a non collusive trade ever gets vetoed I’m leaving the league.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 28, 2022 8:37 PM
• I would encourage everyone in the league to vote to approve or veto. As one of the teams involved, and as commissioner, I will abstain from voting. Majority rules.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 28, 2022 8:21 PM
• Harris is the same age as Gobert. Why would you be okay with that deal, but not okay with this one?
  Otto Twenty at Dec 28, 2022 8:20 PM
• It’s not a Dynasty league. It’s an Ottoneu league which is very different. No one knows what either of those players will do going forward in terms of PPG or health. The trade doesn’t need to be defended because two owners accepted it because they liked the deal for whatever their own reasons are.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 28, 2022 8:19 PM
• You're defending the trade as if this year is the only consideration. They have the same number of ppg this year. This ignores that we're in a dynasty league and Banchero is a far more valuable player long-term. Why not trade Tobias Harris instead of Banchero, since you mentioned him?
  Time Lord at Dec 28, 2022 8:14 PM
• I fail to see the relevance of what trade you believe the Magic would or wouldn’t make in real life or how that matters in a fantasy league?
  Barles Charkley at Dec 28, 2022 8:09 PM
• Of course not. They're rebuilding. And they don't have Giannis Antetokuompo (spelling?), Myles Turner, and Tobias Harris on their team at forward already. San Martin does.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 28, 2022 8:08 PM
• Would the Magic trade Banchero for Gobert?
  Time Lord at Dec 28, 2022 8:00 PM
• Gobert is averaging 33.55 fantasy points per game going into tonight. Banchero is averaging 32.12.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 28, 2022 7:49 PM
• Yeah Banchero for Rudy isn’t remotely even. One of the best rookies in history for an old defense-mostly center?
  Time Lord at Dec 28, 2022 6:19 PM
• The only C's on his roster were Myles Turner and Daniel Gafford. Now I'm in a somewhat similar spot. The only C's I have left are Mobley and Duren. Someone make me an offer for some of my guards please.
  Otto Twenty at Dec 28, 2022 4:29 PM
• He needs a center, was shopping Paulo for one and Rudy is currently the better player is my guess.
  Barles Charkley at Dec 28, 2022 4:20 PM
• Just curious what San Martin’s rational is for swapping Paulo with Rudy when Rudy is old & $20 more expensive
  Jerry Steakhouse at Dec 28, 2022 4:14 PM
• Anyone looking for a forward? Interested in trading Royce O’Neal for a guard if they average around the same PPG. Feel free to lmk!
  Bucks in 6 at Nov 16, 2022 5:56 PM
• San Martin I see you got your lineup set for today. Be aware that by default your players start on the bench every day, so you don't have a lineup set for tomorrow. This is different than other fantasy sites that leave players in the lineup by default.
  Barles Charkley at Oct 20, 2022 11:58 AM
• I had not started the guys that went to you this week in a game, but I think you had Brown on that first night. Maybe that's the difference? Not sure.
  Otto Twenty at Oct 20, 2022 10:55 AM
• Here's the link to the community page where Niv responded. https://community.ottoneu.com/t/after-executing-a-trade-traded-players-remain-on-weekly-lineup-page/12236
  Otto Twenty at Oct 20, 2022 10:50 AM