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5 chose abstinence. Not unlike my prom date.
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Well, I am glad to hear the thinking. I'm not sure how any of the players being obtained by Biracial Angel would qualify as a cheap keeper option. Personally, I do like Gausman, but none of these guys are at a price right now that screams great value. This trade has to be vetoed. Mark, you should want it to be vetoed as you will get vastly better offers from most everyone in this league. We should save the new guy here and not ruin the integrity of the league.
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for others on what their trade values should be, what deals they should be doing, etc. That said, there is an option to veto, so if folks feel that strongly about it, the option is there to exercise.
Batboys on
April 17, 2021 8:06 PM
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But we can't say that for certain. I agree with Animals that this type of trade wouldn't likely cause anyone to look twice in August or offseason. And I agree with others that it seems early (but that is my personal feeling on how I would manage my team - not on how someone else should manage their team). I think the veto process exists for a reason, albeit rarely used, but I'm just making sure its known this isn't a collusion scenario - and personally don't think we should be deciding (cont)
Batboys on
April 17, 2021 8:05 PM
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I'm sure everyone can look at the deal from different perspectives and agree or disagree or think they would have done it differently. But ultimately I'm just putting out there that I know Mark thought about it, has received a number of offers (most unsolicited) since he has taken over, and decided that is the direction he wanted to take the team. No requirement that he has to post that he is selling, rebuilding, etc. Could it have helped him potentially? Sure. (cont)
Batboys on
April 17, 2021 8:02 PM
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I know Mark (Biracial) and was the one that let him know about the opening in the league this offseason. So I'll clear up any questions about the two teams knowing each other or 'colluding.' I'll also say when I saw it last night and texted Mark that I commented on the loan differential/salary thing as one item I wouldn't typically do, but he noted that it was part of negotiations he had to change some of the players involved to others that he preferred.. (cont)
Batboys on
April 17, 2021 8:00 PM
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Another reminder, the league voted last year to process trades after 24 hours instead of the default of 48.
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I don't think anyone suggested otherwise but just wanted to make things clear for the new owners, as commish I do not make any league decisions without the approval from the league. In cases of trades, I only cast a vote as a player for approve/veto, and if there are not enough votes to overturn then the trade will stand and I wont make any adjustments. I think that is the only fair way to do it and its how I've always managed this league.
FU Jobu on
April 17, 2021 7:08 PM
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I know I'm the new guy, but this trade was done purely in my own interest. If you take a look at my roster (which I inherited, and no I don't know FV>PV) it will be difficult for me to compete in future years with the cap space and keepers I have. This trade helps me to clear cap space for the future while getting some above average players at a lower cost. These are the types of trades I'll be doing this season. Except I probably won't deal with Huevos after those comments.
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I agree with most of what everyone has said. Tough trade to make sense of after 2 weeks of the season from Angel’s POV. I try not to veto, but I think the fact that FVPV gets the premium player package plus more cap space reveals a lack of experience on the part of the other owner. And that’s something at least that the commissioner could address (I think), if it passes the vote.
JV Baseball on
April 17, 2021 5:41 PM
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Didn't realize my whole message didn't post...
To continue, why was the loan so big? Why did FV>PV end up with EXTRA cash?
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I think I understand what BA was trying to do, and I don't think anyone would have a problem with this trade if it happened in the offseason (or even in August).
As far as I remember, we have never vetoed a trade in this league. Is this the trade to break that streak? I don't think any of us WANT to veto any trades.
Is "I think he could have got a better return" a good reason to veto?
My biggest question on the actual trade is why the loan was s
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Ya I am just more curious why you would trade your best players 2 weeks into the season without even announcing them on the block or trying to get the most for them.
If he had shopped them fine. Maybe that was his best offer. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense. And I only brought it up because i know he’s a new owner and took Mike’s team from last year so I was curious
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huevos I just want to point out that almost none of us in this league know each other outside the game, but I would try not to assume collusion. If it’s a bad trade use the veto mechanic as that’s what it’s there for.
Also it isn’t ever required to explain your trades, but doing so might help sway the rest of the league from vetoing so it might be a good idea
FU Jobu on
April 17, 2021 2:43 PM
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Agree, pretty ridiculous to trade all your best guys without even updating your trade block or posting you are selling... who is this biracial angels guy ? Does anyone know him or is he FVPVs friend. Pretty ridiculous
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I would like for Biracial Angel to explain how this trade helps him. Giving up loads of talent...and losing salary cap as well...and not getting any real keeper value back. This one looks really bad.
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Sorry, wrong league for the note below!
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Hello all. I have no idea how the $18 was added in the trade I offered. Definitely not intended since I was looking FOR cap $. Commish, can we veto this one?
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whoa whoa whoa, lets save the blockbusters for later in the season
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Sorry, long day at work, I’m going to be about 5-10 min late if we can possibly hold up for just a bit?
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need a few owners to fill a first year 5x5 ottoneu style league on fantrax. however, we will use OBP, W+QS and SAVEHOLDS instead of AVG, W and SVs. There will also be a corner infield position. and payout % is higher! DM if interested. thanks
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Still working on the draft time, just trying to resolve some time conflicts!
FU Jobu on
February 24, 2021 4:56 PM
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Just waiting on one more response. Will set the date ASAP
FU Jobu on
February 21, 2021 5:08 PM
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Commish - can we get that draft time pinned down in the next day or two? I have other leagues trying to set their times too and I'm trying to keep flexibility for these March weekends as long as I can. I'm sure others are in the same boat. Thanks.
JV Baseball on
February 21, 2021 10:03 AM
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For the Draft poll I decided to use doodle since its a little more streamlined, please add your team name and availability for draft day. I chose a set of day/times that seem reasonable as a starting point but if these absolutely dont work we can figure out another time slot.
Here is the link: https://doodle.com/poll/hdy4qkcamun4sfvt?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
FU Jobu on
February 9, 2021 3:26 PM
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Sounds good. Thanks⚔️
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I send out a survey every year to see what dates everyone is available. I will send that out in the next week or two and our draft will be schedule for whatever time in March works with everyones schedule. Usually we have one 3-to-4-hour session for these drafts and that should be plenty enough time for our league.
FU Jobu on
February 5, 2021 4:06 PM
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Do we have any ideas when draft date will be?
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Friendly reminder to renew and make cuts before the deadline. Looking forward to another great season!
FU Jobu on
January 25, 2021 5:49 PM
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$6 Taylor Rogers OTB, as well as speedy $5 Garrett Hampson, and $3 Triston Casas... Oh and Trout, Yelich, Ohtani OTB as well
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We have all done something like that before, glad it was straightened out so quick.
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Well that was quick! A huge thanks to Animals for being understanding when it was me who made the dummy of a mistake!
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Hello, I fear I have to come to the league to ask you to fix a mistake of mine. During trade negotiations on that current trade that’s currently approved, I accidentally clicked Luis Arraez instead of DJ LeMahieu when sending the trade. (There are a couple of back and forth I can use as proof that DJ was the get). Would the league be okay with nixing that trade? It’s frustrating, but I use my phone and appear to have fat fingered this one. I sincerely apologize for the mix up.
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All, with heavy hearts we've decided to drop out of this excellent Ottoneu league - we just don't have the time in these crazy days to give our best to the year-long format. Thanks everyone for the years of friendly competition!
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Arbitration deadline is Saturday, for the couple teams that haven't done it yet.
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sounds good sombrero. Rules seem fine and straight forward to me so no reason to fix something that isnt broken. if people have ideas to make the league better and enough managers agree then i would think we could vote from there. but i dont see any issues rn.
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Also, I am ok with formalizing some of the rules but I don’t have the time to write a full blown league charter right now. Maybe we can default to standard rules and keep a running list of amendments as a note in the league. Then we can add to it as things come up and we vote and discuss
FU Jobu on
October 6, 2020 9:48 PM
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You’ve been a great addition to our league and will be missed. Many of us also have young families so we completely understand and wish you the best
FU Jobu on
October 6, 2020 9:45 PM
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you will be missed. primarily by the Eggs and the Animals.
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Hey guys
I've been wrestling with this choice, and I think it leads to only one place before I get sucked back in: I'm going to drop out from all my ottoneu leagues.
I need to focus on my young family a little more. The time commit, especially with four leagues, got to be a little tough to manage this year.
I've enjoyed competing with you all over the last two season.
Thanks!
JV Baseball on
October 6, 2020 8:07 PM
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I suggest we formalize some of the items the rules leave at the discretion of the league. To me, the roster locking mechanisms that are in place by the system work well enough and only a handful of scenarios exist that would require any further action.
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Rosters are locked. Commish, please remove Kole Calhoun and Brandon Marsh from my team.
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Despite MB sneaking past and knocking me out of the money, I'm good with his solution.
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also, nice rise to second at the end there master B. you kinda came out of nowhere. if the season was a few days longer i think u could have made a real push for first. Congrats
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i also don't understand why covid would be an excuse for you to be able to sit with an illegal roster for over a week in April. The rest of the league played by the rules the entire time, did we not have to deal with covid too? If anything that time of uncertainty was even more advantageous for you to sit with an illegal roster and you should be penalized more harshly for that. Just read the rules and play by them like everyone else.
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i don't care enough to keep bringing it up if nobody else in the league agrees with me. but since you have done this multiple times i think it's worth bringing it up since it clearly states in the rules this is illegal.
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It does seem pretty clear to me that the intent of the rule is keep a fair landscape for every owner and much like MLB's rules around roster limitations, having more players on your roster than the rule allows is a competitive advantage. I would propose that we allow 48 hours to drop 2 players. Then if that's not done, the commish drops the last 2 players added.
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Ok let’s keep it civil fellas. After looking at the ottoneu community board this issue has come up in other leagues and it comes down to the commissioners discretion. I’m not the type to make the rules for all of us so I’ll put it to a vote and let the league decide.
FU Jobu on
September 28, 2020 9:03 AM
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If you didn't care, you wouldn't be bitching about it.
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I'm really surprised you're bringing up an instance when players were opting out daily and we had no idea if there would be a baseball season at all as an instance that I "did this before".
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