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I've updated all rosters with the milb promotions, cuts and keeps given! Please take a look and let me know if anything seems off
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Welcome to the league Joe! Our league has been around for a while and has quite a few special rules Such as 5MiLB. If you have a question about anything you can reach out to me or the commissioners!
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Everybody welcome Joe! Are new league member and diehard Kansas City Royals fan. He's an Ottoneu newcomer so please be nice to him!
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I vote no to reversing any past transactions.
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My opinion would be to leave the decision to the new owner
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If anyone would like to change their vote given this conversation, you are certainly free to do so.
So far it is 3 (Nate, Jack, Gunnar,) in favor and 2 (Abe/Ford) against.
So certainly a tight discussion.
I get both sides! I just personally feel that if a team makes changes to their roster in the offseason and bolts two months later, that’s unfair to the new guy, who would not have made that move. If the new guy wants to make that trade, he still can.
What About Bob? on
January 23, 2025 4:58 PM
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I feel like this shouldn't even be up for a vote honestly. Like Bryce said I would reconsider cuts that were made, but it wouldn't make sense to reverse a trade.
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Excellent abstention.
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To be clear, this would be my decision regardless of if I was involved in the trade or not. I think setting precedence of retracting moves made by previous managers during a managerial transition is dangerous.
I am good with whatever the league votes on, but just needed to share my thoughts.
Thanks all!
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Also this trade went through with no issues, 2 vetoes only. Why are we suddenly allowing a new manager to come in and make a change? Kevin did not sabotage his team and then leave. People didn't have enough issues at the time to overturn the trade, why suddenly are we allowing it now?
That being said, I'm leaving it up to the league to vote and will abide by the rules.
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Even though I'm abstaining from voting, I feel it's necessary to hear my POV as well.
Similar to what Abe said, this move was made 2 months ago, assumedly prior to any decision he made on the upcoming season. If this move was made much sooner to his exit, I could understand, but I definitely have made roster decisions based on this trade from 2 months ago.
I'd be in favor of him reversing any cuts that were made, but I have a hard time going back 2 months and letting ne
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I am against resetting the roster. More likely than not, Kevin made those moves in the best interest of his team for 2025. Then he just decided he didn't want to Ottoneu for whatever reason. If the new owner and Bryce want to figure something out that should be up to them. Also, Bryce has made moves since then which could have been based on that move with Kevin
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I agree I'm generally against resetting a roster but also seems fair given the old owner committed to the 2025 season then backed out a few months later
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I'm generally against resetting a roster unless collusion of some sort could be proven and also against the salary cap. But to be clear, I won't quit the league or something if it passes
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let him reset the roster
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I'd be fine allowing the new manager to decide on any roster moves made in the offseason
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Looks like it was just the one trade with Bryce. I could understand if they would want to renegotiate and I would be alright with that.
Murphy's Law on
January 23, 2025 1:26 PM
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Essentially, this would allow the new owner to undo a trade he did not choose to execute prior to taking over his roster.
I will let you all decide whether or not you think that's fair, or if it's bad precedent, since the initial trade wasn't vetoed in the league.
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Kevin (Sale's Throwbacks) has orphaned his team. I'm wondering how the league feels about allowing the new owner to "reset" their roster retroactive to any moves made this winter, since the new guy wouldn't have had a say in those moves. Obviously, it's never happened before, but I wanted to put it out there for a vote.
Bryce and I will abstain from any voting as Co-Commissioners. would need a 5-4 majority to pass.
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Keeping:
Emerson
Montes
Cutting:
Brown
Espino
Gonzalez
Jorge
Stewart
Veen
Promoting:
Meyer
Noble shouldn't be on my roster, he was part of a prior trade this year
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Keeping:
Jakob Marsee
Cutting:
Wilmer Flores
Yoendrys Gomez
All Arraez on
January 23, 2025 12:17 PM
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We could do anything though. I'd be open to the "September 1st" or the "at any point during the season"
Wacha Me Win ツ on
January 23, 2025 10:22 AM
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I think that this is more likely if a team were to have $500 in cap on August 30th and then were to cut back to $475. Either way, the rule is still helping to keep the salary down while penalizing the player if he can't get below the cap.
Wacha Me Win ツ on
January 23, 2025 10:04 AM
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First off, I think it'd be pretty rare for a guy to go over $600 in salary cap. However, If he decided to cut $125 worth of players August 31st the rest of the league would be able to get them through the waiver wire starting at half price beginning September 2nd. Odds are these cut players would be "keepers" for many of the teams especially after the bidding would start at half price.
Wacha Me Win ツ on
January 23, 2025 10:01 AM
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Instead of "if you finish the season over $475" I think it should be "if you have over $475 salary on September 1st". This would be an easy time for you or Bryce to look at it because it coincides with the September Sprint for the 5MiLB Draft. This would prevent someone from getting under the $475 cap and avoiding the penalty by cutting a $75 Mike Trout (for example) at the end of September when the season is pretty much over.
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What happens when the standings are wrapped up and the guy with a $600 salary isn't playing for anything the last 3 weeks and just cuts everyone to get under the $475 cap?
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I love this Abe. Should it be written as “if you finish the season over $475”? So we don’t have to legislate anybody that goes over in the middle of the season? I’m fine with whatever.
I think capping folks at $400 for the next year max sense. Prevents from doing it repeatedly
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$475 salary cap. If a team goes over $475 in salary cap for one season that team is only allowed a salary cap of $400 for the next season.
This is a little different that what Tom and Ryan talked about penalizing the team by having them start at $375 where theoretically then, that team could still go over the $475 salary cap annually which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion. I would still be in support of the $375 rule though if people can agree on that.
Wacha Me Win ツ on
January 22, 2025 11:16 PM
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Lets get some discussion about the salary cap going. I agree with Tom and Ryan about if you go over the salary cap it should affect your salary for the next year. Instead of the penalty affecting your starting salary for the next season, I think it should affect your maximum salary for the entirety of the next season. Here is what I propose:
Wacha Me Win ツ on
January 22, 2025 11:15 PM
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Hello
Keeping:
Chase Petty
Chase Hampton
Dustin Harris
Promoting:
Dalton Rushing
Mick Abel
Cutting:
Benny Montgomery
Frank Mozzicato
Tahnaj Thomas
Hao-Yu Lee
Victor Acosta
George Lombard Jr.
Murphy's Law on
January 22, 2025 10:45 AM
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Change in my MiLB keepers.
I'm dropping Brady House, and keeping Cam Collier.
If anyone else needs to make changes to MiLB roster moves before the 1/31 deadline, feel free to do so.
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Change to my last message. I will be promoting Deyvison de los Santos, not cutting him. Thanks!
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Cut:
Matt Allan
Blaze Jordan
Griff McGarry
Deyvision de los Santos
Promote:
Jacob Melton
Keep:
Edwin Arroyo
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OK, in that case …
Cut:
Wilman Diaz
Heriberto Hernandez
Gunnar Hoglund
Asa Lacy
Eddys Leonard
Ethan Wilson
Brock Wilken
Sterlin Thompson
Ryan Clifford
Promote:
Matt Shaw
Keep:
Chase DeLauter
Brayden Taylor
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I suppose it does say before MLB draft.
However it makes more sense to do the cuts before MiLB, so we know what teams have space for five roster spots.
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This was posted on 12/4:
Let's consider the MiLB proposal complete.
5 man rosters
No trades of picks (players ok?)
2025 draft as-is. Must cut down to 5 players via trades/promotions/cuts before MLB draft. All those cut will be available to be drafted during MLB draft and auctioned during season
2026 draft and beyond will remain as-is. 2026 with trades as they are, but no more trading of picks.
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I thought we didn’t have to cut our minors rosters down to 5 until after the minors draft. This based on conversations from early Dec. Did that change?
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Milb moves:
CUTTING: baez, brown, perciado, Sanchez
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I agree we need to start the cap discussions ASAP. I would endorse something like Tom's idea of it affecting your cap number for next year, if you go over. But if we can't come to some sort of consensus soon, we might just have to go with the status quo.
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MiLB Roster Moves
Promoting:
Emmanuel Rodriguez
James Triantos
Justin Crawford
Cutting:
Jefferson Rojas
Khalil Watson
Cristian Hernandez
Keeping: Sebastian Walcott and Jarlin Susana, I will have 3 selections in the draft.
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For full transparency, West Richfield Street Turkeys make the following moves with MiLB roster:
Cutting:
Cam Collier
Druw Jones
Henry Lalane
Dylan Lesoko
Tommy Troy
Jett Williams
Promoting
Bryce Eldridge
Kyle Teel
Jackson Ferris
That leaves me with 3 MiLB players
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We have less than 2 weeks left before cut date.
Please make cuts to both MLB and MiLB rosters. Reminder you have to get under 5 MiLB players to participate in the MiLB draft. Those players cut will be eligible for both MLB and MiLB draft.
Also we have had no discussions on salary cap. If we want to have that rule, we need to finalize it before the season starts.
Thanks all
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Reminder to discuss salary cap ideas. Hard cap? Soft cap? What are the penalties? Senor Smoke has presented one idea, but now is the time to discuss what type of cap rules we want.
Thanks
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I hadn’t thought it through that far, but that does sound like the cleanest, most simple way to do it.
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This isn’t me endorsing the idea, I’ll do what league wants, but this idea can work logistically at least for draft period. I can control what every team’s salary cap is in Couchmanagers.
I’m assuming in this example, you can only draft $375, but after than can acquire players to increase cap? But would have those penalties if you end season over cap?
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On the cap, I agree that the changes to the MiLB rosters/draft make it so using picks as penalties doesn't make as much sense anymore. This might be an extreme idea, but how penalties that impact a team's starting salary the next season? So maybe like 25% of your overage gets reduced from the standard $400 starting point. Basically, if you end 2025 with a $500 salary, you're starting 2026 with only $375 to spend instead of $400. Not sure how that would be implemented/what's possible.
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Fine by me!
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I think that’s a good compromise. It’s just easier to keep everything on MiLB unable to be drafted, but if teams agree that they’ll trade/acquire a player that will be on MLB team with a salary rather than MiLB team. That’s fine. I think! Haha
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I vote for no trading of guys on minor league rosters, but we could leave open the possibility to promote a guy to your main roster, even if he hasn't debuted, and then deal him. The acquiring team has to be willing to add that player directly to their active roster. I'm thinking this would benefit rebuilding teams trying to acquire more younger/cheaper talent (as opposed to completely "locking" these MiLB guys up from trades), but perhaps I haven't thought it all the way through.
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To be fair, in defense of Abe's point, in this example, if both owners have room on their MiLB roster to do that, why is that not clean? If in that instance, I'm giving him someone I don't value as much, but he does and he has room for it and wants to trade me an MLB asset in return, isn't that the point of a lot of our trades, that is to get younger/cheaper or a more established/known commodity?
All Arraez on
December 5, 2024 8:48 AM
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