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Of course the price / eta argument is why I thought the $20 Trout bid at the first auction was foolish. Whoops.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:27 PM
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The fact that you've put each OTB probably at least five times this winter and still have traded one for MLB players suggests they could still have limited trade value, simply due to price and ETA, or a mixture of both.
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If he said that in June he would have been contradicting the strategy he was using at that exact time. And Correia and Sano are a world apart in contract value due to age and eta. Bradley I don't think holds up to same scrutiny, even back in June.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:23 PM
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18 months ago Correa, Bradley, and Buxton, for example, were two years from MLB. They were priced higher than other top prospects closer to MLB. The context of my quote is that those three guys have virtually no "trade" (currency) value.
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Durham and I had an argument along these lines when I suggested that Zimmer was a tad overpriced. At least for my liking.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:20 PM
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Again, your 6/12 quote says top 10 prospects have no value. If you've changed your mind, as it sounds like you have, awesome, I obviously agree.
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I think the point was that certain prospects have such high salaries that it makes them both bad stashes and bad trade chips.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:18 PM
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When you're talking about rostering non contributors there is a huge difference between $9 and $3.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:17 PM
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It would seem odd if Sano is valueless. But Sano isn't valueless. He's a) very valuable to me, and b) valuable to others based on the offers I've received for him this winter. I've never said holding prospects is worthless.
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Holding an injured Sano would make sense, I think. You can't cut him, and why trade him at a huge discount. His salary would mitigate his uselessness in short term.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:15 PM
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Correia is a mega prospect but I can't imagine there being much demand for that contract from contenders or rebuilders.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:13 PM
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It has to do with sano bc you just implied you're going to contend this year and hold onto him even though he's about to miss the season with TJS, which seems odd if he's valueless and holding valueless prospects is a bad idea for contending teams
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What does that have to do with Sano? That was 18 months ago and for the record I feel the exact same way: regardless of talent, if the salary is too high it seriously limits the trade value of that prospect. That seems pretty straight forward to me.
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I can see that point though. Different than saying "don't hold prospects." Price is a factor as is eta.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 10:09 PM
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On 6/12/12 you said: Prospects are only currency if they are priced low enough to make the wait worthwhile. Guys like Correa, Bradley, maybe even D. Brown have virtually no value (today) because they are priced too high for even a rebuilder to wait on the
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On 12/21 I said "I'm not saying you should always trade top prospects for rentals. Just saying if you think it legitimately increases your chance to win to acquire a great productive player for a prospect or two, you should be ready to pull the trigger."
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That seems like a gross exaggeration
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 9:47 PM
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And you said that teams trying to win should flip them for basically any kind of veteran talent
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Actually you said guys like Correa and Bradley (and presumably Sano) have no value, but of course holding them would demonstrate that to be untrue
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? Did I ever say I wouldn't hold prospects? I just spent a year holding them. I think I said I wouldn't be afraid to trade them for a chance to win. But please find my own words to tell me I'm wrong
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Excuse me while I go review 5000 posts on why holding prospects doesn't make sense for competitive teams from Lucky
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Sano might as well get the TJ and move on. I'll gladly hold onto any hitter that can mash 35 HR with a busted UCL though...
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While we're on the subject of Twins prospects sniffing the major leagues...another news story mentioning Sano and TJS in the same sentence.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 8:25 PM
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If there are several I am guessing they all predate his AFL performance.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 8:17 PM
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Several, really? Names please. I'm skeptical to say the least.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 8:13 PM
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Several 'perts think Meyer is destined for the bullpen. Could be a legit closer. I don't think he sniffs the MIN rotation this season with all that $ MIN dumped into the rotation.
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ah thats right.
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No I was joking. The Twins got him from WAS in the Span trade. So even if he has the Twins pitching prospect stigma, it was WAS who scouted and drafted the talent.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 7:51 PM
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oh is he? I thought he was the MIN SP prospect
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I feel like I've said that about BAL but a search for MIN comments would come up empty. Plus Meyer is a Nationals prospect! LOL.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 7:31 PM
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Someone search the old boards and post WAR's previous comments about MIN/BAL's track record of developing pitching prospects
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Don't forget Meyer!
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 6:58 PM
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Just some of the top prospects that have been exchanged this "off" season. Next year's "look back" on trades is going to be very, very interesting...
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Baez, Wheeler, Gausman, Taillon, Castellanos, J. Gray, Stephenson, C. Martinez, Zimmer, Crick, Cole, Wisler, Franklin, Owings, Bradley, Skaggs
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WAR Horse's trade block has been updated!
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 6:24 PM
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Maybe Paul Hoynes can tell us that the Indians are "not all that interested" in Marvin Benard next week.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 6:06 PM
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Yes, Cleveland and 29 other MLB clubs.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 6:05 PM
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According to Rotoworld, this qualifies as offseason news: According to Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Indians are "not all that interested" in Bobby Abreu.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 6:04 PM
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I dunno a $5 closer seems pretty hot to me. I would've traded you Gregory Bird for him.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 5:23 PM
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I like Allen but I've invested a lot of $ into my bullpen in order to save roster spots, not $. Based on my roster setup, I'd rather spend big on 5 quality guys than spend little but use up 7-8 roster slots. Could backfire...
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Wasn't keeping him. Highly doubt another team was going to trade me something else I would keep either.
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So why did you cut Allen?
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 5:06 PM
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Nothing like a few trades to wake up the community. Yesterday there were about 6 comments / OTB posted. Today's there's been at least 40...
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While my MI may suck at first glance, I now have the #1 MI vs. LHP last year, and four of the top-20 MI vs. RHP last year. And they are all basically jerks! LOL.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 3:09 PM
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I haven't read too many reports that indicate he's a ML SS. But, he can hit.
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As long as he gets it by next April I'm happy.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:55 PM
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Well today is your lucky day. LOL. Now watch Franklin get SS eligibility in April...
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 2:50 PM
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But if I couldn't deal him I wasn't keeping him, and I wasn't having much luck dealing him.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:49 PM
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My thought on cutting Didi was his 2015 cost was high for a platoon role to me - I'm not saying other people should have cut Didi, I'm sure that has value to a lot of you.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:47 PM
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Check that, no it wasn't. I'm an idiot.
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