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That Tulo contract needs to go regardless.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:33 AM
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Not happening. Desmond went for $38 in last year's auction and Tulo outscored him in 30 fewer games. The entire league wants MI. Why would I expect to get him back for less than $53?
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That Tulo contract needs to go regardless.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 7:49 AM
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It's speculation at best, but wondering if Durham is in play for MC? Would Russell/Giolito get it done? Would allow him to save $30+ by cutting that Tulo contract.
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If Enrico can't land Carpenter using some of the best prospects around, it does seem the price is sky high. But Carpenter is really good...
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This oughta be interesting. I'm likely out because I have no cheap high upside talent, Enrico has like half of the top 20 prospects...
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 6:12 AM
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Whoever winds up with Carpenter, drop me an email, willing to pay a pretty high price so would be interested to see if we could figure something out after knights and us couldn't
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... but will try to really dig in and close this tomorrow if I'm going to deal him. Some pretty great offers today so leaning towards the possibility that I will.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 11:49 PM
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Ok should have replied to everyone and sent counter-offers where appropriate. Ill be without cell or Internet much of the day tomorrow...
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 11:48 PM
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Lucky Strikes's trade block has been updated!
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WAR Horse's trade block has been updated!
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 8, 2014 8:16 PM
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Nice. Biggest impact deal I've made all day.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 8:16 PM
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This one was pretty epic though in its own right...how many times do you get to see a 1B/DH swapped for an OFer? I mean, they had the SAME salary!
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Apologies to anyone who logged in expecting to see a Carpenter deal
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 8:04 PM
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On planes most of today, a lot more offers and messages than I expected so will wait to respond until I'm in front of a computer.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 4:10 PM
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lol. Perfect response.
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you mean sky high like a Miguel Sano?
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Matt Carpenter is an Ottoneu stud. I wish he'd been available a month ago before I made a few moves. Even at $22 he could be a top 3B for 2015. I'd expect his price to be sky high.
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On another note, as I've mostly decided 2015 is the year I am in discussions about Carpenter with 2 teams. Still unlikely to move him but didn't want any complaints about not shopping him if I do.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 11:05 AM
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It wouldn't be shocking if Chiefs is in the title chase late and moves those two guys for Verlander in reverse. At least by then you'll know if you really want them and have a better idea of ETA.
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That's the question - if he performs like I think he will, probably. It won't erase the dumb move but would make me feel better about it.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:57 AM
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To make it worse, Chiefs very likely wouldve had to cut Verlander so if I wanted him could've probably had for just auction dollars and kept the guys I traded. Maybe even lower salary too. Dumb move.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:57 AM
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The question is: if you keep Verlander and find you cannot compete in 2014, can you trade him for more value (Crick/Wisler) than you gave up? I think the answer is yes.
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Wisler I think is ok, I really think I'll miss Crick long term though, maybe as early as this season. A $6 Crick will very likely be much more valuable than a $51 Verlander in 2015z
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:56 AM
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I traded $4 Kyle Crick and $3 Matt Wisler to Chiefs for $49 Verlander on 12/11.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:55 AM
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I did it last year with someone, I think Halladay and CC. Traded for them and cut them before deadline. What's past is past, ill make move that makes most sense at the time.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:53 AM
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I agree with that point - I see big year from him and think his value is appropriate, and I have the cap to carry. If I thought it made sense to cut him I would.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:52 AM
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What was the trade?
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That's disagree with Luckys comment, not knights
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I disagree; the trade is what it is, now in 23 days there's a Verlander cut decision to be made, mistake would be keeping bc of the trade, decision should be made on the merits
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I am definitely keeping him, but now that I've started to lean more towards 2015 I'd rather have the guys I dealt.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:50 AM
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It's only dumb if you don't keep Verlander
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As Enrico basically said I would I really regret that Verlander trade. I still have a lot of young pitching left but that deal was dumb.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:20 AM
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Sure, but you got some back!
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 8, 2014 10:19 AM
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I just went over all of the young pitching I've traded in the past 2 months and got a little sick.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 10:18 AM
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With Jabari Blash just outside the top 20.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 8, 2014 9:20 AM
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According to my personal rankings Gray is a top 10 overall prospect. But Butler is only top 15 for now.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 8, 2014 9:20 AM
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Uh oh. It's COL Top 10 prospects day at BP. Over/Under on how many times Jed pimps Gray & Butler today is set at 5.
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Not to interrupt, or perhaps to wade right into it, I'm getting closer to moving Calhoun, maybe Adams. If you want in, let me know. Most likely looking for top prospects in return.
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Yeah yesterday's trades and chatter will be difficult to top today but I wouldn't rule it out. Love this league.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 8, 2014 8:01 AM
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I appreciate the light reading for my early morning at the airport guys.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 8, 2014 5:35 AM
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The message board for this site needs some serious upgrades. Particularly for days/debates like today.
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Also, one should be careful drawing conclusions based on who I put on the trade block
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"John wows" apparently equals Ipad auto correct for "shows"
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Agree. Just not what you said when you had a team that wasn't full of prospects. Different now, I get it. And not sure what the Miller example john wows. Matt Carpenter has far exceeded expectations too, it happens and is awesome
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So, not only am I NOT saying top prospects don't have value, I'm saying even "non-prospect" prospects can have value if the mix of talent, price, and ETA is right. But that seems obvious.
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Only bringing up the Miller conversation to say that it's not just talent that makes a player valuable. It's just as much a combo of the price and ETA of them contributing to your team. All three factors must be weighed.
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And: "...the reason I would spend on Buxton and not a sub-replacement level guy like Miller is that if I want a 600 point producer I can always add one"
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EP on 2/20/13: "I understand you're arguing Miller's more valuable because of price; it's just not correct b/c even if Miller produces at the majors (remember, he just made AA), his production is exactly what you can find on the waiver wire"
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Brad Miller is a great example. I took a lot of flack saying he was going to be really good despite not cracking the top 100. He's more valuable to a contender right now than Sano, Baez, Buxton, Correa, Bradley, etc.
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