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Brandon Crawford's OPS v RHP was higher than Didi
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No, sorry. I meant "Cutting Didi though, that's hard to justify." Also Minnesota's rotation is full of losers and injury risks. Meyer will make 10-20 MLB starts this year. Garza is both a loser AND an injury risk.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 2:30 PM
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Meyer will be lucky to have a bullpen role in 2014. Doesn't MIN have about 7 SP already (and still trying to land Garza)? Why cut Didi if you can platoon him vs RHP?
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Hanley, Tulo, Drew, Zobrist, Reyes, Lowrie. That's it. And, unlike all those guys, he is still figuring out major league pitching.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 2:25 PM
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Cutting Gregorius though. If you're into the whole platoon thing...these are the MLB SS with a higher OPS vs. RHP than Didi:
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 2:24 PM
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I'm banking on Meyer contributing in 2014. If he doesn't....dumb trade.
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January 7, 2014 2:22 PM
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I was cutting Didi and will cut Venable, this deal for me was Meyer for Franklin. I like Meyer better long term but have too much young pitching and not enough young infield talent.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:16 PM
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I'm not mailing in 2014 (I'll have around $100 to spend at auction) but at same time I am planning around a 2015 run, my decisions are focused primarily on that right now.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:15 PM
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It was mainly a positional trade for me. Franklin has more upside than Didi but I had 4 2B and only one SS.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 2:14 PM
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Don't see anyway that roster can be competitive in 2014 but I don't think he's actually trying to be.
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I thought the same thing WAR - wouldn't give up what he'd been asking but would've given *something* for Allen.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:04 PM
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I had pretty much sat out the dealing over winter break until recently, had some catching up to do.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 2:03 PM
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Whoa. I would've traded something for Allen.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 2:02 PM
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Knights needs to take the rest of the day off as I know he's pretty thrilled to pick up three nice parts for next season in Franklin, Wheeler, and Gausman. Will still be competitive in 2014, too...well done
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Interested to see the backlash on this one...
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 1:58 PM
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Lucky Strikes's trade block has been updated!
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Knights's trade block has been updated!
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 1:44 PM
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Grilli was one of the steals of the draft before he got hurt.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 1:43 PM
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Oh I agree WAR...I value RP's and closers pretty highly too. But getting Enrico involved in this philosophy doesn't help your strategy...and also just saying there were some other good closers out there at reasonable prices
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Having the best team possible out of the gate may also (slightly) reduce a need to trade Sano, Baez, Polanci for reinforcements this season...so maybe I am thinking a little of 2015...
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Always fun when a trade can strongly divide the opinions of several teams. Bottom line is I thought my team would be better in '14 with McCann & Anibal. No need for me to be thinking about what happens in 2015+
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Hey, I just got a big return from a $13 closer, so anything is possible.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 1:25 PM
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we know where Enrico stands and that doesn't exactly help your case to get anything in return for a $9 closer
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Speaking of RP, there's a reasonably strong chance Gausman starts '14 in the bullpen. Hard to imagine starting Arroyo over him, but it may happen.
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Let's let Enrico weigh in on this.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 1:21 PM
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The next in line guys are like a dime a dozen on the FA wire. There are fewer than 30 established closers, and even fewer who are high P/IP.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 1:17 PM
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or some solid setup guys with strong holds and "next in line" chances for $3 - $5
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Or Clippard for $6
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or you could have Reed or Perkins at $10 and $7
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I'm sending out some offers involving Casey Janssen. Is he an exciting player? No. Will you get a better closer for $9 at the auction? No.
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January 7, 2014 12:55 PM
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That's true. I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't have ample time to improve, I just view Gausman as can't miss and Wheeler as could-maybe-miss. Still a solid haul. Anibal is good but not 2013 good, and McCann is....well, he hates Carlos Gomez.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 12:46 PM
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Fair point on Bauer but he - unlike Wheeler - never had a track record of success in the minors before earning his high prospect ranking,
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I'm not suggesting he's an automatic to succeed. I'm saying it's impossible to go from future #1 starter to John Maine in 12 months and 100 MLB innings.
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I like the trade from both perspectives, but I think there is a decent chance that Gausman outperforms Anibal in both P/IP and total points in 2014.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 12:40 PM
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Although at 22 I guess we can't close the book on Bauer just yet. But he is awful.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 12:38 PM
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See: Trevor Bauer, also universally regarded by scouts as a #1 starter "once he worked out his control issues."
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 12:38 PM
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The caveat that "he is awesome but he has control issues to work out" makes no sense to me. Successful MLB pitching hinges completely on control, so if he is still working on that at 23, it's open to question whether he will succeed.
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January 7, 2014 12:34 PM
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You're on an island with that. Nearly the entire scouting community saw Wheeler as a #1 starter prior to last season. He has some control issues to work out but I don't see how his projection drastically changes because of 100 subpar IP at age 23.
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A lot of it depends on Wheeler. Gausman is going to be a star. Wheeler's floor to me is John Maine.
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January 7, 2014 12:25 PM
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Interesting that folks think this is a win for Lucky. I think it's a huge win for Knights.
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Was why I cherry-picked Cingrani and Eaton last year and am having a hard time parting with Franklin this year.
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January 7, 2014 12:17 PM
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Right if you are on the fence about competing in 2014, then Gausman/Wheeler types are ideal. I think even not-so-hot prospects with instant ETA's are hugely valuable.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 12:16 PM
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From my perspective, while nominally going for it in 2014 if some things go right my real goal is 2015.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 11:52 AM
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Gausman and Wheeler had the big benefit of being cheap, MLB-ready, with high upside. Not many of those around. I don't really like trading those guys but I want to win badly in 2014 after sitting out a whole season.
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I agreee with you on Wheeler, but also consider he was hurt most of last season apparently and is just still just 23 - he fixes the control some and keeps the k rate and he is gold, esp at Citi.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 11:49 AM
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Honestly, you would win this deal long-term even if you got just Gausman.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 7, 2014 11:47 AM
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I will say that Wheeler's command/stuff have not left a great impression on me, and I watched him a lot last year.
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January 7, 2014 11:46 AM
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I agree for 2014 only the most likely scenario is big net gain for Trey. I'm damn near certain I win this long term, and that's before considering the cost difference.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 7, 2014 11:46 AM
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It's a good deal, I overreacted. My knee-jerk was to see veterans for rookies and view it as a clear 2014 win for Trey.
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January 7, 2014 11:46 AM
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Yeah Knights, didn't realize you had big catching depth, so not as bad for 2014 as I initially thought.
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January 7, 2014 11:44 AM
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