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Carpenter and Donaldson are coming off ridiculous years with little to no track record - since not going for it next year, wanted to sell at peak before chance of regression and additional arb dollars.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 9, 2014 8:20 PM
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Damn. I had no Buxton to offer, but I would have topped that for just Carpenter.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:20 PM
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So as I usually do, I'll explain myself before I get beat up too much.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 9, 2014 8:19 PM
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Elvis Andrus can bite me for sucking last year.
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The top 10 SS over the past three years include such luminaries as: Starlin Castro; Asdrubal Cabrera; Elvis Andrus; J.J. Hardy. That is the definition of replaceable.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:16 PM
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not at his age but probably will be one day
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Urias is a top 25 pitcher?
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I actually like it for both teams on initial reaction
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CarGo plays the most replaceable position, Tulo the least.
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WAR Horse's trade block has been updated!
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 6:48 PM
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Past three years: CarGo: 2498 pts., 6.7 P/G; Tulo: 2077 pts., 6.5 P/G.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 6:47 PM
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Enrico Palazzo's trade block has been updated!
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I'm actually surprised no one has said anything yet, but to slightly change the subject....I will go on the record as saying I support Dan LeBatard
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I have plenty of pricey players; I pay premiums where the premiums are appropriate, not where the replacement level is so high
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I'm not saying that's wrong to do. Just saying it requires more elite production per spots since you have less ability to take advantage of a platoon.
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No one should understand that more than you since you will have maybe 10-15 roster spots taken up by prospects that won't contribute points to 2014. If anyone should pay a premium to maximize a roster spot's production, it should be you
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There's a cost associated with taking up 3 roster spots vs. 1 though that you aren't factoring. Plus, you can only use 700 PA in one OF slot. If roster spots were unlimited, no one would pay $41 for Matt Holliday, who also had a .380 wOBA
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Colby Rasmus, Brandon Moss and Daniel Nava combined for 1150 plate appearances against RHP with a wOBA above .380 for a combined price of $16. That's the cost, next best alternative, not average of the top 30
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It's not unknown when you know exactly what your budget is. Average price of a top 30 OF in 2013 was $21, and only had to score 720 pts to get there. Cespedes can do that. No bargain, but fairly priced.
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overpaying for your own guys b/c of fear of the unknown sounds like Brian Sabean
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Possible available OF's could include: CarGo, Upton, Hamilton, Des Jennings, Cruz...Byrd, Ibanez? Wow, that's a nasty drop off, and I don't want any piece of Upton, Hamilton at the prices they will fetch in auction.
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The "cut CarGo?" question is exactly why I just traded for Cespedes. I'm not thrilled with a $22 Cespedes, but go to the 2013 OF leaderboard and check how many of those potentially available you'd really want to pay for. Look at the top 60 - it's ugly.
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CarGo plays a full season every other year. Duh.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 4:28 PM
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Syndicate has what I think is a nearly full, competitive roster before the draft, but, unlike others, also has nearly $80-$100 to spend. I'm hoping the CarGo's, Tulo's, Fielder's are kept so he can't add them.
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I'm probably remembering incorrectly but I thought WAR traded some pretty nice assets for him. Things change but I think he's shed salary since then so would be surprised if CarGo gets cut.
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I have no inside information, but I for one would be stunned to see him keep $51 CarGo
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I don't understand how you could argue Tulo isn't worth keeping at $53 with a $51 CarGo on your roster.
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Regardless of how EP and I often disagree about how to value prospects like Buxton and Sano, both those guys are going to be stars, and MIN may actually be good again one day soon: http://goo.gl/7DpYpl
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shoot me a message....it will be the same points system as this one
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so FMW and I have been in another ESPN league for about 8 years or so and are finally making the switch to Ottoneu. It was a 10 player league and only 7 of the guys are switching over...if you have any interest in doing another league from the ground up
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There's strategy in everything...
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LOL. You think?
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 10:03 AM
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Im beginning to think Lucky doesn't want Knights to deal Carp to his 2014 competition.
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Steamer's projections for Carpenter, which have regression built in, look reasonable with 132 wRC+. Even at that number, no non-Cano 2B hit that mark in 2013. And again, he's half Cano's price, and in his prime. I'd keep him unless you get overwhelmed.
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I'm trying to make my team better for 2015. If dealing him can do that, he gets dealt. If not, he stays. Hitting some snags in negotiations so we'll see.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 9, 2014 9:23 AM
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Yeah good point, not sure why Carpenter doesn't qualify as a 2015 building block.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 9:07 AM
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Carpenter will also be eligible at two positions this year, so that has some value as well. I'm looking forward to seeing the return, but Knights is collecting lots of young, cheap building blocks which would seem to make it easier to keep MC for 2015
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Carpenter is a freaking monster but I don't think that xbh number is repeatable. Could be wrong. At auction I would likely go up to mid 30s for him.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:57 AM
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I don't fault Durham at all for trading for Tulo since he really didn't give up any irreplaceable pieces, but I agree that $53 is tough to swallow for a player with the same concerns that caused others to balk on paying $32 for Reyes.
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Carpenter was essentially Robinson Cano last season at half the price. Even with regression he's likely a 900+ point MI at half of Cano. Tulo has been healthy enough to score 900 pts once in 4 years. Price for MC should be high.
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Tulo at $53 is like 50 cents per game played.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:46 AM
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So - it's not that he doesn't have the pieces.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 9, 2014 8:44 AM
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There is literally no way Tulo goes for North of $50 at auction. Desmond went for $38 will dissuade people from overvaluing positional scarcity, not encourage them.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:44 AM
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Not sure if Enrico and I have ever made a deal or not but wouldn't be surprised if answer is no - we have huge disconnect in current value of most players.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 9, 2014 8:44 AM
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Enrico and I have a significant disagreement in what Carpenters current level of production should cost in the way of potential (key word) future production.
Caimans 🐊 on
January 9, 2014 8:42 AM
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I don't want MI...
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:42 AM
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LOL. I mean, I do feel pretty strongly about that.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:41 AM
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That Tulo contract needs to go regardless.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 9, 2014 8:41 AM
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Yep, got it. You think that Tulo contract needs to go regardless.
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