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When it comes to removing people from the league, for inactive managers, I'd say we give the team in question ample opportunity to voice that they want to stay in the league/offer an explanation. I don't think we've ever been hasty in removing teams. Once we've given them a shot to do so, we can vote on it. I think if we reach majority with no objections, then we go through with it. If there are objections, I think we talk it out until we have resolved or addressed objections.
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In the past, league majority approval at least has been required on issues we have to make a decision on. My position is that we should change as little as possible of the competitive landscape of our league since it's a long-term keeper league and strategies have been developed with several years down the road in mind. When it comes to changing league rules, I think higher standard maybe 80% approval or perhaps unanimous if changes are significant enough.
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Sorry for being the league noob, but how have you guys handled things like commissioner selection or inactive team removal in the past? Has the commissioner resolved either or both based on league sentiment shared on the message board? Have there been formal votes? Just curious to know what, if anything, is expected from each manager in order to move both items along before arb ends.
Paul Dano on
November 1, 2021 4:55 PM
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I'm good with whatever
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I’m game
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I'm fine with Andrew doing it.
Booger Weeds on
October 29, 2021 4:33 PM
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Everyone ok with Andrew any objections? I assume everyone is ok with it.
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I'm fine with Andrew as long as he agrees to make an increased effort not to be biased against me.
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I'm fine doing the job assuming nobody objects to me doing it.
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Andrew as commissioner sounds good to me. Thank you, Jodie.
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I nominate Drew to be new commissioner. He knows everyone, is extremely reliable/active, and cares about the league's integrity and competitiveness.
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Thanks for steering the ship Jodie! I don't think there's an option for expanding to 14 teams in ottoneu. I'm co-commissioner of another ottoneu league and went through the commissioner tools but didn't see that option. I could be missing it though.
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All the talk of if Shrews "wants to come back" etc is nonsense. Being that inactive and noncompetitive should 100% be an auto kick, no discussion. Anything else and we should be ashamed to call ourselves a competitive league. It's obviously nothing personal. I'm also against expansion, we need to have a full season of 12 active and competitive teams first before we go adding more.
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Regarding expansion draft, I could be open to it if we didn't have any problems with activity and if we had enough owners who were interested already. Not sure how it works logistically either and think it would require virtually unanimous approval
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BTW if you're looking at Shrews' profile and it says last transaction 18 days ago, that is only automatic salary increase. I believe it's been since June that he had a transaction of any kind. That's on top of having the worst score in league history.
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Consider the risk of us getting to keeper deadline and he makes no cuts as well- we can't afford that risk, also arbitration has to be done to keep league balanced. It's very bad for the last place team to not do arbitration.
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Thanks for being commish Jodie. My two cents on Shrews: We already gave him a free pass after ghosting for half of his first year back, but then he was even less active the second year. He ghosted all of the first month of the season, and he hasn't logged in since August. If we wait on him to comment, there's a good chance arbitration will have came and went. It's nothing personal, I love Shrews. He's clearly not having much fun with it anyway.
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So I hate throwing this into what is already being discussed but I have been considering this for awhile now. But I am afraid I am going to step aside and not be Commissioner anymore. I hate to step aside but I want to give as much time as possible this offseason to figure out a replacement. I am not leaving the league and still wanting to play however I just can't be the commissioner at this time. If anyone wants to replace me or has any ideas of someone please post any ideas.
Booger Weeds on
October 27, 2021 4:31 PM
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This perhaps a too off the wall suggestion and not worth the headache, but if Shrews does want to stay I’d be open to expanding the league to 14 teams. We could add Ian and one other. I’m not sure what the logistics would look like (presumably we’d need some kind of expansion draft), but I like the idea of a deeper league and it wouldn’t mess with the playoffs.
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I’m open to Shrews coming back, provided he’s committed to the upcoming season, much more so than the previous one. However, I’d also more than welcome Ian’s addition and I think he’d be an excellent manager.
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Ian?! Absolutely! If he’s willing to do it, the more active the better
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I think Ian would be a very good addition to the league and he wants to play. Its impossible to compete if you don't change your team. So I think it would make the league more active and more competitive.
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+1 I'm all for adding more activity to the league.
Paul Dano on
October 15, 2021 4:55 PM
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He also hasn't visited the site since August 5 as another metric.
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I’m all in on Ian. I agree with Drew. Sorry Shrews
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Ian Anderson, who many of you know wants to play Ottoneu- he loves baseball, is reliable, and I am extremely confident he will be a valuable add to the league. He already knows the format. He also knows the majority of the people in this league.
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I love Shrews but I have to nominate him for removal/replacement given that he didn't change his team for most of the season including the first month and his last transaction was June.
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Also, if you are not going to play in the league anymore please let me know as soon as possible. I don't get that feeling from anyone, but I would rather know sooner than later. Managers tend to be a challenge to find.
Booger Weeds on
October 15, 2021 2:50 PM
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Let the offseason begin. Arbitration starts today. Everyone in the upcoming weeks try and knock that out.
Booger Weeds on
October 15, 2021 2:47 PM
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If anyone has any interest in doing Ottoneu basketball, throw me a DM. Planning on drafting next weekend.
https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/basketball/17/
Paul Dano on
October 10, 2021 4:02 PM
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Congrats, KP. Le voyage will have to wait ‘till next year.
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Thanks! I'm just glad DK's team name didn't come true. lol
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Congrats to Kenton for destroying us this year.
Booger Weeds on
October 5, 2021 11:38 AM
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BTW I didn't realize Ramirez was added in, that certainly changes things. I think Tony should have just added a cheap keeper or two. I think Harper at $55 is pretty nice given how well he's doing. I think most people would be happy to keep him as he's performed at that price- I would keep both Kershaw and Harper personally. I think Harper next year would go for $58-60 as he's performed.
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In the future, I welcome disagreement about my trades and discussion on the subject. If I make a trade feel free to veto it if you think I'm getting ripped or that the other person should get more. This better informs someone about the relative value of a player to other owners in the league which is an aspect of player value.
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I'm not in agreement about several things attributed to me from both Tony and Ricky lol IN any case, my commentary wasn't about this trade but about ricky's initial post about the trend of trade imbalance (As Ricky said in other words lol). My point is that if you have a problem with trades, vetoes remain a valid response- which Jodie has weighed in about the dangers of using. I also want to clarify that I'm not insulting anyone's capability to play fantasy baseball lol
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Call me crazy for preferring Bieber and holding on to Ramirez. Lucky for you, Ramirez is still available. And Cruz. I recommend getting your best offers out there soon. Don’t want Kenton out-maneuvering you again.
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I even literally stated I didnt need both Ramirez and Goldy/Cruz if it was a problem
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So you could have countered without him? You literally offered to add in "expensive/non keepers" on your side like Ramirez/Goldy/Cruz.
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Who were you proposing to get in exchange for those four? Seems like you wanted what Kenton got PLUS Jose Ramirez.
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Morton, Correa, Frazier, Garcia. You could have just flipped Morton to Tony. But I'd have given you more, I asked for you to counter or if you have any input and you gave me nothing. Look it's fine you don't have to trade with me or anything, my fight is 100% with Tony. I just was taken aback that this deal that I believe is worse than my offer just got accepted outta nowhere when it's hugely impactful on who wins this year.
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Which offer did you make that was “objectively better” than this one?
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Why do you think Tony never trades with a subset of teams in the league, because we demand fair trades and he knows he can just bend over everyone else. Tony definitely has a skill in trading, but all it is is offering trades so bad I wouldn't even offer for fear of insulting the other manager, and sometimes people click accept.
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Which offer was better?
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Tony is definitely keeping Harper and Kershaw, he just admitted that basically. Andrew agrees my offer was better, and you could have just done my deal and flipped Morton to Tony. But it's whatever your deal really isn't the focus here, just the straw that broke the camel's back. We talk about these deals behind the scenes nonstop lol and Tony full well knows he's ripping you all off.
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Clearly makes me significantly better this year. But come offseason id much rather have bieber than the guys i received. But andrew and joc will probably say im lying about that for some reason since I'm dishonest and predatory. Lol
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If Kershaw is healthy end of season and doesn't suck id probably keep him. I think based on projections he shouldn't be but with pitching hard to come by because so many have such good pitching hoarded. But yeah Ben ill add a clause if you want. At the end of the season if you dont think trade is better for you for next year ill trade back.
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Im extremely sorry to all my prey that I've been extremely predatory towards in all my predatory trades lmao
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Im extremely sorry to all my prey that I've been extremely predatory towards in all my predatory trades lmao
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“Extremely predatory” is funny. Kenton is good at making deals. It’s a skill. Good for him.
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