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Taillon-9, Sale-25, Votto-9, Lewis-18, Beeks-1. Max said he ended up dropping Bryant this morning so that’s probably why it defaulted to the waiver price.
Cliff Lee on
June 5, 2022 11:32 AM
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Kyle Lewis and Jalen Beeks have also been put back on Trout's team.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 5, 2022 11:27 AM
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Kris Bryant should have been won at auction for $13. I adjusted his salary.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 5, 2022 11:25 AM
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It seems there’s a mistake with me winning the Bryant auction. I bid on him but nowhere near the amount of $27, so something went crazy here.
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I suspect more roster issues will present themselves. Let us know so we can try to get things back in order.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 5, 2022 10:58 AM
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Ok. The light finally went off in my head. We have a bit of a mess. I put Votto and Sale back on Trout's team despite them being won at auction by other teams. I'm not sure how else to rectify this. If anyone can remember their previous salaries that would be great.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 5, 2022 10:57 AM
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Those 5 players are on your team. I'm missing something in translation here.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 5, 2022 8:55 AM
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I had the same problem with Kimbrel. I had him, but he was still on the auction block. When that team won it, he got moved. I dropped Bryant this morning so I’m obviously not worried about him.
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Taillon, Sale, Votto, Lewis & Beeks.
Cliff Lee on
June 5, 2022 8:45 AM
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Don't quite understand. Can you be a little more specific? What player(s)?
Sgt. Pepper on
June 5, 2022 8:40 AM
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I can’t bid for a few players because it says they’re on my team. When someone else wins the auction they get moved to that team.
Cliff Lee on
June 5, 2022 8:30 AM
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MB brought my name up when I had nothing to do with what the fuck you guys were bitching about this time.
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I brought it up, not Bus. I asked and he explained his reasoning. A few of us were interpreting the loans rule differently so I questioned it.
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Hey Magic Bus. How about you keep my team name out of your damn mouth or off your finger tips, rather! I had nothing to do with what the fuck was going on so you had zero reason to even bring me up.
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My team looks great. Thank you.
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Clarification on the Loan Rule. The owner of Ottoneu wrote me that the example in Rule VI (c) will be changed from 'half' to 'some or all' of the traded guy's salary. Works for me, and I stand corrected.
Magic Bus on
June 3, 2022 4:03 PM
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Okay Max and Trou. Check your players. I believe I did a good job of restoring them at your previous salaries. Spot a mistake and it will be repaired.
I placed a couple or three bids after restoring your players on the auctions started by your temporary successors, and Otto informed me that "One or more of the players you bid on is currently on a team." I think that will be all right.
Magic Bus on
June 3, 2022 3:41 PM
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I will restore them all.
Magic Bus on
June 3, 2022 1:20 PM
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Ditto
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Sorry for any inconvenience I’ve caused. Hopefully communication will be better in the future.
Cliff Lee on
June 3, 2022 11:45 AM
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Is there a way to cancel these transactions and have my players put back on my team?
Cliff Lee on
June 3, 2022 11:44 AM
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So, I would just like some clarification on how the loan rule is going to be applied going forward if possible?
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Exactly. He had to have logged in and placed a bid within the last couple of days. Just because he didn’t change his doesn’t mean he wasn’t active.
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It’s computers. The owner may not be active, but the team as an entity still exists. The bid was in the queue (placed while the owner was still active). So, it was awarded to the highest bid. Simple.
As to what the owner is saying, I think I speak for most when I say this — no one cares. Most of us have jobs and this is a hobby. I’d rather not get 1000 emails discussing what “bad words” someone may or may not of said. It’s inconsequential.
Rules are fair game. But let’s
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I’m still trying to figure out how the one guy won an auction but was not active. I haven’t even gotten into what the other guy has posted on other leagues about this.
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Let’s move on please. No need for potshots at this point. It has been discussed.
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The commish has no idea what he’s doing. So you better be careful with loans.
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I’ll make my penalty free cuts today. I plan to cut at least half my roster and only keep players I’m comfortable are below their market value. I would trade high-$ players like Cole, Bregman and Eloy with loans if there is a deal that would help me next year. If you see someone you like, let me know.
Cliff Lee on
June 3, 2022 7:46 AM
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Welcome to the league new owners. Yes, we had a little turmoil. I believe we are past it though. I think we're all looking for a competitive league with active and engaged owners.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 3, 2022 7:43 AM
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Hi everyone, I jumped in on the league this morning . .. and then I read the message board! Anyway, I am a rational, self interested owner, who likes to trade but fairly. You may remember me from running GHP last year. Hopefully these flood waters will recede. Last, if anyone is untouchable on my roster it's Jose Ramirez.
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Looks like Max won the auction for Pasquantino. But I thought he wasn’t active?
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Actually, yikes, there are so many cuts to make I won’t waste time listing them all. You can all see which players are likely cuts. Basically I’m open for business.
Cliff Lee on
June 2, 2022 9:57 PM
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Before I use my penalty free cuts, please let me know if you are interested in anyone. I’ll list my likely cuts on my trade block. In a situation like this team is in, nobody is off limits. I’ll work on a rebound for next year.
Cliff Lee on
June 2, 2022 9:54 PM
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I claimed one of the vacant teams. The roster is a bit of a mess, but I’ll do what I can. It’s too late in the game for this team to contend, but I’ll try to put it in position to bounce back quickly.
Cliff Lee on
June 2, 2022 9:48 PM
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Again they both had injuries and didn’t have a deep bench. Heck the guy in last was in the top 3 in a couple other leagues (he had 2 accounts). So I don’t thing he was trying to screw things up here.
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Well, when guys will not work their lineups personally (autopilot is a poor substitute over even a week, let alone a month), but they do work to destroy the competitiveness of their teams, there is no other decision to be made. Stop the trade, and release team owners who do not participate on an active basis. I did that. One of those teams has a lot of talent and will be replaced in short order. The other needs an owner who knows about prospects and has the patience to develop his team.
Magic Bus on
June 2, 2022 6:13 PM
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Yeah. He’s not going to get into it. His view is and has always been to let managers manage their teams. He was showing you how to do it.
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I sent Niv an e-mail describing the trade and why it seemed to me that paying guys to accept Cole and Ramirez were not meant to become more competitive, but to make the league less so. He replied with this:
You can visit Commish Tools and Active Trades and cancel any trades before they process.
Thanks,
Niv Shah
Founder, Ottoneu Fantasy Sports
ottoneu.fangraphs.com
Twitter - @ottoneu
Facebook - www.facebook.com/ottoneu
Magic Bus on
June 2, 2022 5:17 PM
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The rule is mentioning that figure as an example to the rule.
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Response from Niv, creator of Ottoneu to this question in 2018 on the message board. https://community.ottoneu.com/t/is-there-a-limit-on-how-much-i-can-loan-another-team/3620/2
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I highly recommend you check out the Otttoneu channel on Slack or the community board for clarification on this rule.
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Otto does not limit loans. In nine years I have never seen this rule applied this way and there have been trades with loans well over this threshold every year. "Why would someone cut Jose Ramirez.." is exactly the point. That was not a trade for salary cap. I assumed the team that offered it was looking to acquire cheap assets for a rebuild by moving a high priced asset. I acquire prospects every year just for this purpose.
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And why would anyone cut Jose Ramirez to get just $20 cap space, when he could easily be traded for a $30 player and free up $11 as well? Or Gerritt Cole for a similar arrangement?
Magic Bus on
June 2, 2022 4:47 PM
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C E, "Salary cap dollars can be traded between teams (i.e. team A can agree to count one half of a traded player's salary against their cap)."
One COULD acquire cap space by trading a $41 Jose Ramirez for 2 MiLB catchers. But not if one trades $39 along with Ramirez for two $1 prospecs. That leaves him losing a fine 3B and $39, and is why he is only allowed to lend half of Ramirez's $41 salary. Which is also why Otto limits loans in all its leagues to 50%.
Magic Bus on
June 2, 2022 4:45 PM
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Absentee owners are much more likely not to meet that innings limit.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 2, 2022 4:42 PM
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Probably the most important thing you can do is meet the minimum innings limit. When you don't you forfeit all your pitching points and other teams undeservingly slide up. This can affect the final standings.
1250 innings is the league minimum. Please everybody, meet those innings limits. How would you feel if in the future you don't win a championship because somebody failed to meet their innings' limit?
Sgt. Pepper on
June 2, 2022 4:40 PM
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Perhaps the rule was taken out of context but what happened was two owners accepted trade proposals based mostly on spite and not what was best for their teams. I ask that league members please be attentive to your team and understand that when owners fail to maintain their lineups it does compromise the competitive integrity of the league.
Sgt. Pepper on
June 2, 2022 4:32 PM
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The rule is talking about acquiring cap space. So I agree to acquire a 20 player so I can cut them for 10 cap space. That is what the rule is talking about.
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Well, you are reading it wrong. The rule is talking about a trade for salary cap dollars, not a loan to cover a players' salary. If it was simply talking about loans why would it be talking about half of the player's salary counting against cap? A traded player doesn't effect cap. A cut player under any context counts half against cap.
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I don’t see a rules on the top in any league. Only one I see is on the bottom of the page.
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