-
Wait no, you can make trades now. GO CRAZY
-
Keeper deadline is 01/31/2020. Looks like you can trade before the deadline. "Before the end of arbitration, players may not be cut. Between the end of arbitration and the keeper deadline, players may be cut or traded. After the keeper deadline and before the auction draft, teams may not cut or trade any players."
-
I believe the keeper deadline is 1/31. I don't know if you can make trades between now and then. I'll have to look.
-
IT'S A TRAP!
-
What's the deadline for cuts/etc.?
Also, I am going to cut literally most of my team, and I don't know if trades are allowed, but if you want a guy in lieu of having him go back out to auction at his salary, I'm happy to entertain offers.
-
We now have two TC posters that have taken the spots, but I'd be surprised if we could get them up to speed on what arb is and how to do it in the next 10 hours.
-
I have no strong feelings toward what to do with the two teams' arb dollars. Whatever is decided is fine by me. I've already renewed my team for next year. I tried to find folks outside of TC for the remaining spots, but did not have any takers. I don't think it would be too hard to gather two posters on TC.
-
My personal opinion is that the integrity of the game is better maintained by not assigning the arb dollars than any method of simulation.
41/73 Club on
November 13, 2019 1:41 PM
-
Mine said 11/21 as well. I went ahead and paid up and it shows paid through 1/31/21
-
Weird. My dashboard says paid through 1/31/20. I wonder if it has something to do with the join date.
-
I'd agree, not a big deal. My argument would be that they have half of that negative inflicted on themselves in the process (each assigning $2 to the other) so they gain $2-4 on the other teams in the league assuming teams keep the players the money is assigned to. In a league with several well under budget for the season, a .5%-1% difference seems insignificant. It becomes more helpful if it's divided $1 (9-12) $2 (7-8) $3 (1-6) or something to get them at $1, but still not much.
-
Mine says paid through November 21, so that’s like a week away.
-
And yes, I can't remember the exact payment date, but I think it's either 12/31 or 1/31. A banner will probably pop up at the top once arb is over with exact dates.
-
Well, yeah, I guess if you look at it that way, it's a positive for them.
-
I'm not going to be too adamant about it, but the argument that it doesn't affect them doesn't make sense. They can inflict a negative on everyone else, but that wouldn't be a positive for them? So they lose nothing if they don't inflict the negative on everyone else?
Murphy’s Slow on
November 13, 2019 12:28 PM
-
I lean toward just not allocating those dollars personally, but I don’t have strong feelings. To be clear, we should renew before the team expiry thing?
-
And in re: KMDS, that was more or less going to be my suggestion. Just roughly follow the guidelines of what the rest of the league has done.
-
Yeah, it doesn't affect them at all. The main idea of using their money is basically to try and keep the integrity of league salaries in line.
-
Does it really penalize them for not assigning arb dollars though beyond opportunity cost? Being teams at the bottom of the rankings they've only had just over minimum assignments to their team anyway. It doesn't negatively affect them, just miss out on a positive I guess. They'd both miss out on an additional $2 assigned to their teams in the process so it's pretty minimal impact for them.
-
e.g. I was not top three in 2019, so each of those two teams assigns $2 to LeMahieu, my hardest-hit player. That's the best I can come up with.
Murphy’s Slow on
November 13, 2019 11:29 AM
-
So as not to penalize the future owners of that team, perhaps their arb dollars should at least be assigned to our highest-arb-dollar players. In other words, they do the same thing we already did. Sadly, that can't be exactly even because 25 doesn't divide by 11. But $2 for each, and $3 for the top three from 2019 is a possibility.
Murphy’s Slow on
November 13, 2019 11:28 AM
-
I'm not sure there is really a method of assigning those extra dollars, how would we decide how it is distributed? I'd think the best path would be not to assign arb dollars for those teams and just move forward with the arb assignments from the 10 current owners. Hopefully the TC post brings a couple of new folks on-board. I've reached out to one person but haven't heard back.
-
If you guys want, I can temporarily make myself the owner of the teams who haven't put their arb dollars in, and we can come up with some kind of agreeable plan for me/us assigning those dollars. That way there's not $50 sitting in arb limbo while we figure out the rest.
-
I believe 12 teams is the only option. We can deal with arb numbers not being put in, and we can take until the draft next year to fill the open slots. You basically just pay for the year, so new players wouldn't necessarily have to be in before existing players' payment due date. I'll post something on TC today to see if we can find any takers. If time passes and we don't get any traction there, you can post league openings on the main ottoneu page and have randos take over.
-
I guess it's time to talk about what happens without replacements? Arbitration is supposed to be over tomorrow, and if I remember correctly, we would have to pay Fangraphs to continue the league at the end of the year. Can the league be run with 10 players? How would that work?
Murphy’s Slow on
November 13, 2019 10:55 AM
-
Snitker is still in, so we are in need of two more owners.
-
Just sent out emails to the remaining 3 team owners who have not put their arb dollars in yet. WAR (very quickly) responded, sounds like he's got enough other stuff on his plate. Punny is also out. Still waiting to hear from Snitker. So if anyone knows of a couple (at least) replacements, let me know and I can swap them in. New owners would just be taking over the current rosters of those teams.
-
Hey Ronald McDonaldson, the system says you have $3 left for arb. If you don't spend it all, none of it counts according to the rules.
Murphy’s Slow on
October 31, 2019 11:11 AM
-
Definitely. I tried to do the same thing my first few years in Ottoneu. I probably overvalued non-elite prospects and cap space only to watch the teams with the un-sexy/savvy cheap players pushing them over the top. You do want to leave yourself some space to pounce on an in-season deal or surprise performer, but those typically only move the needle so much. At some point, you just have to have dudes. I had guys like Laureano/Calhoun(both of them)/Braun that really make a difference.
-
Just my two cents, but I'm not counting on anyone being cut only because of salary and treating arbitration as simply an exercise in removing those killer deals. I know that common sense would say that salaries should normalize and expensive players should flood the market, but past year showed that teams can carry multiple high salary players while still being competitive. I favored having "financial flexibility" after the auction last year and it only provided a small benefit.
-
Kinda! But now most people have experience I think things will calm down a bit. That first hour of the auction was absolutely insane. Hopefully the entire thing only takes an hour this time.
-
"You'll get the best deals in the <$10 range when everyone else is out of money." So basically the same as this year
-
I used to spend like an entire month planning out who/what/how much leading up to cuts/auction, and basically it all goes out the window as soon as it all actually starts to unfold. So, you know. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
-
It depends on when people make their cuts, but I'm guessing most people will keep it close to the vest until the last minute, which is probably wise. If you spend a bunch of time surfing around roster pages, you can probably figure out the obvious cuts, but there will always be surprises. I probably wouldn't pay too much attention to who is or isn't available and just try to figure out what areas you want to address.
-
I'm interested to see how it plays out. My question is this: do we have an idea of who isn't being retained as we make decisions on whether to keep/cut? Like (this is strictly hypothetical, given that I have the rights to Trout) but would I have an idea of whether an adequate replacement would be able to save me $20, or is it blind going into FA? Either way I guess I'd (hypothetically) have the money free to possibly get him back for less...
41/73 Club on
October 29, 2019 10:43 AM
-
Yeah, I've been in your position plenty of times before, thinking I was going to scoop up damn near everyone that was available. But it rarely works out that way, I think. You'll definitely get some good deals, but the guys in that upper tier tend to be shielded from that. You'll get the best deals in the <$10 range when everyone else is out of money.
-
I get what you're saying, DUF, but I wonder if that's how it shakes out. It doesn't seem like a lot of people have a lot of money (which could change) so I was imagining several players going for close to their minimum bids. But you've been through the process and I haven't.
Murphy’s Slow on
October 29, 2019 10:36 AM
-
Well, you know, I don't know if we have budget space, per se. I mean, let's say instead we have some financial flexibility. It's always good to be able to shop in any aisle, but you know, it's never good to spend money just to spend money. ;)
Murphy’s Slow on
October 29, 2019 10:34 AM
-
It's not like there's a set amount to be bid on a certain player. Like, if everyone in the league valued a player at $40, then it wouldn't matter if the bidding started at $1 or $20. They wouldn't go for $60 just because the bidding started higher.
-
I suppose so, but I think it's unlikely that player goes for their cut value anyways. So if you arb that $35 guy up to $40, then they get cut and start at $20 in the auction, I think it's unlikely there are no other bidders and they end up going for that $20. If they're good, then 50% of their previous salary is probably an unrealistic deal, and will get bid up in the auction anyways.
-
There's give and take. I just targeted players that I valued at a certain $ amount and guys who I thought could make people sweat a little bit. If prices are inflated in free agency, its incumbent on the person with the big budget space (cough: you) to make those calls!
41/73 Club on
October 29, 2019 10:31 AM
-
That player was already going to be cut, but now they get cut with a higher salary, causing their auction price to go up. Didn't that just make a player more expensive for the losing teams?
Murphy’s Slow on
October 29, 2019 10:29 AM
-
Just thinking out loud here: is it possible that arbitration (if done "badly") can hurt the teams that did badly in the last season as much as help them? Imagine a good-not-amazing player on a winning team with a salary of $35. That player is a good candidate to be cut because the winning team will be over budget and need to make big cuts. Now suppose to make sure to get that player off the winning team, losing teams with some money to spend use arb dollars to add to that player's sala
Murphy’s Slow on
October 29, 2019 10:28 AM
-
Yeah, still time. Just want to make sure we have a good grasp of who's in or out soon, so that new owners can get those arb dollars in themselves. Not sure I can help you with the McCann thing...
-
Wait, who increased Brian McCann's salary on my team? I think you're doing this arb thing a bit wrong. I'm still planning on taking part, but we still have two weeks right?
-
Yeah, I was planning on waiting until the end of the month to send out some emails. Sometimes people like to wait until the last second to do the arb thing, so they can see how it plays out and see where they want to go with the money. But the commenting/activity thing is definitely more concerning. The commish page shows Ronald McDonaldson checked in today, but the other 4 have no activity since at least 10/8. If you're one of those four and plan on still taking part, please say so.
-
If we haven't already, I think we need to start the replacement process. We already know one is needed, but 5 owners haven't done arb yet, and some of those haven't commented since the end of the season. Obviously I don't mean replace someone without asking, but maybe send out some emails and go from there? We might need two or three and I feel they should get to do arb.
Murphy’s Slow on
October 25, 2019 12:53 PM
-
And just like that the keeper deadline appears at the top of the page as January 31.
-
And just as a note, you have to hit the SAVE button at the bottom of the page each time you allocate money. Took me awhile to realize that my first time through.
-
Or you can cut people right away once arb ends. Just a strategic thing to wait until you show your cards. Up to you guys.
Previous 50 messages |
Next 50 messages