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After all of the hoopla, I’m still looking to deal. Adell, Marquez, Musgrove, Bassitt, Yarborough, Hicks, Haniger, DeJong all available for 2019 upgrades
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nc - the last guy took his ball and went home.
Swamp Donkeys on
August 24, 2019 7:25 PM
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That said, I’m more willing to consider SP3-5 more so than other offers right now.
STL Wise Guys on
August 23, 2019 10:30 PM
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PSA to the league - I’m looking at all trade offers, but I kinda like this team and wonder why the last guy left me with it. Trade block will be up this weekend. I’ll probably be rejecting until I decide what I need.
STL Wise Guys on
August 23, 2019 10:29 PM
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Who the hell you think you are calling polite??? :-)
MLBRaleigh on
August 23, 2019 6:00 PM
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look how polite everyone is now!!!
Swamp Donkeys on
August 23, 2019 5:45 PM
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Thank you KC. I thought it might be something like that. Appreciate you clearing that up.
Otto Who? on
August 23, 2019 2:47 PM
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When a new owner takes over a team he gets a round of penalty-free cuts. The players he cuts become free agents and do not go through waivers.
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Samardzija has been great this 2nd half. He could really slide in as a big piece of your rotation. Look over his last 10 games. Avg over 33 points a start!!! Three games over 50!!!
MLBRaleigh on
August 23, 2019 2:43 PM
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I thought the same but then thought maybe because they are both in the minors?
MLBRaleigh on
August 23, 2019 2:36 PM
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Just curious...shouldn't Bauers and Honeywell be going through waivers after being cut? Bauers is already up for auction and Honeywell doesn't appear to be in the waiver claim.
Otto Who? on
August 23, 2019 2:35 PM
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Anyone looking for good veterans for the stretch run? Look me over!
MLBRaleigh on
August 23, 2019 2:29 PM
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Welcome to the league, NC. Glad you quickly jumped on board. I would suggest you update the trade block to your liking and be ready to field some offers.
MLBRaleigh on
August 23, 2019 2:24 PM
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Yeah, I didn't expect to get a team this year. It's my first ottoneu experience. I guess I have some room to learn now.
STL Wise Guys on
August 23, 2019 2:09 PM
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Yes, the team just became available in the last hour or so...it's a long story LOL...welcome to the league and thanks for taking over the team. Probably not very often a team gets abandoned right before its about to go into the playoffs.
Otto Who? on
August 23, 2019 1:32 PM
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that was quick! welcome nc!!!!
Swamp Donkeys on
August 23, 2019 1:31 PM
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It looks like this team just became available today, huh? Nice to meet everyone!
STL Wise Guys on
August 23, 2019 1:30 PM
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some funny shit right there
Swamp Donkeys on
August 23, 2019 12:57 PM
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email niv and he will change it or allow you to do so until a new owner is found
Swamp Donkeys on
August 23, 2019 12:56 PM
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He did actually bench his whole team so I have removed him as an owner in the league and marked his team as abandoned. Hopefully someone will claim the team soon. I have no ability to edit his lineups so its stuck like that until we get someone on board.
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Why would you put all your players on the bench??? If you are punking out simply put your best line up in, top to bottom, and let the players decide victories. You speak of a trade altering the league then you do this? Far more egregious then any trade could be this season.
MLBRaleigh on
August 23, 2019 6:48 AM
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I will leave this league. I'll put all my players on the bench until the end of the season. I was so angry that my words were so violent. I apologize to everyone for that.
STL Wise Guys on
August 23, 2019 5:48 AM
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LMFAO, Yaong calls Pope immature then proceeds to call Pope stupid and an idiot. Who is the immature one really?
MLBRaleigh on
August 22, 2019 10:26 PM
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Note that you aren't seeing lots of messages from Pope or myself complaining about the veto. We're accepting the result and moving on.
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Zips- you are correct in you're statement about the increase in salary. Look at my team. Besides betts and jram, who are both already 42+ dollars, who wasnt going to put dollars on belli? I mean if all teams add a buck his salary goes to 50+. My team is not ready to compete. Nor will it next year. Otto- I get where you are coming from but the whole argument that he hasn't been traded in other leagues isnt a good basis for why I shouldn't have dealt him. Salaries are not same across the board.
Taken on
August 21, 2019 9:34 PM
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and explained and supported my views and not resorted to name calling. I don't condone name calling but if the debate and discussion gets anyone upset, that's unfortunate, and I'm sorry they feel that way, but I've been upfront, honest, clear, professional...and admittedly overly wordy, in my posts.
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 7:31 PM
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...in order to make a decision to about whether to veto or approve the trade. I'd also respectfully disagree that Bellinger at $38 (or $40 with the $2 increase) is a borderline keeper. For his youth, production and potential, it's at least reasonable. I won't speculate about what JBP thought at the time or now. I've stuck to the facts and gone by what he specifically said in his message. Finally, I don't think the last comment was intended for me, but I've been respectful even where critical
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 7:27 PM
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Zips, again, thank you for your thoughtful comments. I am going to respectfully agree to disagree. Whether we can act to increase Bellinger's salary or not has no bearing on whether the trade is appropriate now. None. Whether anyone asked about Bellinger's availability or whether he was on the trade block also has no bearing on whether the trade is appropriate. What matters are the players and money involved. When you go to look at the trade, that's the info you are given...
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 7:21 PM
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we can veto the trades and anyone is free to lobby other owners to veto the deal so it doesnt go through, causing them to rework the trade.
now we have name calling and hard feelings. i thought this might be a good league to stay in. now i am rethinking my options.
Swamp Donkeys on
August 21, 2019 7:17 PM
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otto- you are forgetting that we can up bellys salary to the point where it may handicap him to keep belly. the fact of the matter is that none of us asked about bellys availability, whether he was on the block or not. hes $38. borderline keeper, no matter his stats. maybe that fed into popes thoughts. maybe he got buyers remorse after all of this discourse.
Swamp Donkeys on
August 21, 2019 7:14 PM
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that in and of itself calls into question the validity of the trade. You express concerns about teams being able to do what they want as if its been a problem in this league when this is really the first one of these we've had in almost 2 seasons. We all know you're keeping Bellinger at his price if this goes through or if you trade him, you're going to demand A LOT MORE than what you gave up. I understand where you're coming from but it is driving this on-going discussion for better or worse.
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:32 PM
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...you got a 24 year old superstar player at a bargain price and now you feel like that trade is in jeopardy. The problem is saying things like that you don't really think any trade should be vetoed or that in your other leagues they trade a $35+ guy for 2 less than $10 guys and comparing this trade to what happened to you in the Kluber trade are not good arguments for why the trade should be allowed. You have the team on the other end of this deal acknowledging he should have gotten more....
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:27 PM
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BM, no, you're wrong. If I trade you Trout for Wade Miley because I think Miley is going to become the next Kershaw and I'm "getting more value" from that in this offensive era and I "like" my side of the trade, that doesn't make the trade "fair", "right" or one that should go through and not be vetoed. KC was right in his earlier comment that you are making things worse for yourselves. Your comments come off as targeted to try to get this deal pushed thr
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:24 PM
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one sided they are". A league is only as good as its weaker teams. The more teams that are abandoned, the worse the league is. The more teams that make bad trades or get talked into giving away their best players without getting enough in return, the worse the league is. The more owners that don't pay attention to what is going on in the league, the worse the league is. If the same 2 teams win every year, the league will be worse b/c its not competitive. I don't want that to happen here.
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:17 PM
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...over the last almost 2 years of this league, especially from me because I hate getting into these types of debates, should say something. BM's expressing concerns about people being able to run their teams how they see fit as if this type of debate and vetoing of trades has been common. It hasn't. I'm not upset but I am concerned about the balance of the league when I hear things like "I know I should have gotten more" & "I don't think any trades should be vetoed reg
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:11 PM
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The definition of a trade is both sides think they are getting more value than they are giving up. Value can be defined differently, which leads both parties to want to make a trade. I probably wouldn't do most deals if I was the other person. But, all that matters is both sides like their side of the deal. Finally, thanks for staying classy Yaong.
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...other than for curiosity's sake to see who is going to win the arms race between Shoopy and BM. It's the deal itself and my best proof of that is you haven't seen me complaining about other deals this year or last. The last time YS brought up concerns about Shoopy and BM's trades, I supported both of their rights to make their trades and that they had both done the best jobs forming their teams. The fact that this trade is the one trade -- the one trade -- that has sparked this much debate
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:04 PM
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Zips, your last question is a good one and my answer is simple...Absolutely! It might even bug me more if I was 5-15. I sent out a msg I think after the time where Shoopy got Scherzer and BM made a couple of deals too and said this season was basically an arms race between Shoopy and BM and that I was open for business. So, I already knew then that I was, at best, playing for 3rd. So, for purposes of this year and the playoffs, BM have Bellinger, Lindor or anyone else doesn't matter to me....
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 6:00 PM
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Zips, I really hadn't made any assumption about who proposed the deal, though I suppose that's implied by how I raised the inclusion about France so your point is a fair one. As I said at the beginning, I view that deal as borderline and the France inclusion was my one issue with it and reasonable minds can disagree.
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 5:42 PM
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otto - would you be this upset if your team record was 5-15 rather than 15-5?
Swamp Donkeys on
August 21, 2019 4:36 PM
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you guys are assuming that monkeys made the offer. I WAS THE ONE WHO PROPOSED THE DEAL. as i said, i am not a fantasy rookie. we went back and forth for 2 weeks and came up with this deal. sure, france is an if-come, but he sure looked good in the minors. his sample size now does NOT mean he will be a bust.
Swamp Donkeys on
August 21, 2019 4:28 PM
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I think you'd better change your nickname to hyena.
STL Wise Guys on
August 21, 2019 4:24 PM
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But the problem is you never can't answer this question. Monkeys, Change your position and think about it. Would you sell Bellinger at that price? You're never going to do that, aren't you? Please answer this question.
STL Wise Guys on
August 21, 2019 4:20 PM
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First and foremost, I don't appreciate the inflammatory language. Treat others as you'd like to be treated. I'm concerned about a standard where a trade should be vetoed if someone could or should have gotten more. I don't think the veto is a vote on the balance of a trade. Finally, I'm very concerned about the opinions that people can't manage their own team. Pope, Zips and I have all said that we're doing what is best for our teams and we're happy with the deals.
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This isn't even the Yahoo League.
STL Wise Guys on
August 21, 2019 2:58 PM
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I never imagined that this nonsense would happen in the Fangraph fantasy league.
STL Wise Guys on
August 21, 2019 2:57 PM
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...is a piece of this trade. That just sounds like he was sold as tearing up the minors, don't pay attention to his failure to hit (in a short sample size) in the majors or lack of a top prospect pedigree but "you never know", it could work out. It just strikes me as a "hope and a prayer" add-on and "hope" is not a strategy. But, I acknowledge, reasonable minds can disagree.
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 2:57 PM
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This league is just Monkeys and his followers. And a few elites.
STL Wise Guys on
August 21, 2019 2:56 PM
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On the Lindor deal, while I agree it is worthwhile to put a player on the trade block to see what you might be able to get back. That said, putting the player on the trading block doesn't make it okay to make a bad deal. I don't think you're saying that but just to be clear. My only issue with that deal is the Ty France inclusion given the other options on BM's roster. Up until a couple of days ago, you could have had him as a FA and didn't take any action to get him. Then, all of a sudden, he..
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 2:54 PM
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...it has not doubled and some of that increase is due to the further offensive increase this year generally. I don't know if he will be traded more after this year. That's pure speculation. I suppose the answer probably is "yes" since he hasn't been traded at all since in the last 8 months in any H2H league, but the actual record and data (i.e. the history of the last 8 months) indicates otherwise or at least he will be traded less than expected for all the reasons previously stated
Otto Who? on
August 21, 2019 2:50 PM
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