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https://imgur.com/gallery/iLO88Ff
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Thank you for your Partnership
Sox on
March 26, 2021 9:28 PM
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Yeesh. Definetly didn't mean to cause an uproar. Don't frequent this page daily in the off-season. Only did today because I had 1,000 emails. Cuts coming, everyone calm down.
Is Epstein even really dead?
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1. Hilary killed Epstein.
2. I am definitely winning the league thus year. Even with Yates getting tj.
3. Viva is obviously just joking/trolling the league
Big Potato on
March 26, 2021 8:57 PM
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I will focus on a league first , the Epstein consensus 😂
BeachBoys on
March 26, 2021 6:55 PM
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I agree the action looks not to be in spirit of the rule. I don’t plan on enforcing anything , to be consistent if everyone wants to go to 42 , not going to stop you.
BeachBoys on
March 26, 2021 6:53 PM
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And what? Hoarding 17 players and cutting 10 as a sign of "good faith" isn't? No issues for you there?
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Having 2 extra roster spots at the end of spring training while players battle for starting roles/playing time is certainly an advantage 🤷🏻♂️
Sox on
March 26, 2021 6:16 PM
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Also, Epstein most certainly did not kill himself.
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Not sure how others feel but I'm fine with someone being slightly over the 40-man right now if they expect to be under once 60-day DL designations are made official. That was my plan with picking up May, to the extent I had one, until I realized afterward it put me over on $$ as well.
All this as a subtle reminder that someone should pick up Paul DeJong, he's only $3 now.
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Its incredible how inglorious always makes himself look like the dumbest guy in the room. Without fail
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Truly remarkable. My God have mercy on us all
Sox on
March 26, 2021 12:18 PM
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Additionally, no way epstein killed himself
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I agree that rosters should be kept valid if possible. This problem self corrects with proximity to the season as lineups and roster locks suck. This and what Pratt did are clearly different
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He didn’t. Just sayin’
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Viva I seem to remember you having zero opinion other than "Epstein didn't kill himself" when Pratt held 5000 players last season.
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Cheese. Please cut 2 players ASAP. You’ve been over the roster limit since 3/24. Thanks!
Sox on
March 26, 2021 11:06 AM
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I don’t have authority to arbitrarily make changes. Trying to offer options to league. Happy to keep as is
BeachBoys on
March 3, 2021 9:34 AM
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I'll agree with that as well
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I'm with Malibu, zero interest in changing pay structure or arbitration.
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Flat out not interested in anything like that.
It’s a good thing I’ve already paid in. This shit is too much.
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I think it might be tough to mess with the buyins. The most direct way to penalize tanking is to enforce some type of additional arbitration penalty. For example , 12-10th get +15$ arb , 9-7 get +5$ , arb, 6-4 get no arb penalty, 3-1 get no arb and prize $. Let me know if anyone is interested in this type of idea.
BeachBoys on
March 2, 2021 8:23 PM
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I don't want to churn the waters after things have died down (narrator: he churned the water anyway), but what if last pays $50 or $100 and it goes to 4th place finisher?
Would have to be done outside of Otto with like league safe or something so ¯_(ツ)_/¯ but that could disincentivize the "nothing" side of all or nothing. Just spitballing!
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This is all too much to read and keep up with, but if at the end of this there has been some serious rule change, then I'm probably out next season.
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I made that clogging suggestion over a year ago but Ottono does not allow you to do that. I like that idea as well though if we can make it work. I think my ceiling is a 4th place finish.
Big Potato on
March 1, 2021 4:16 PM
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@clogging - that is a better solution I agree. The payout structure incentivizes all or nothing. How does league safe work and integrate into Ottoneu? Open to ideas
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 4:13 PM
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I’m astounded at the lack of understanding of how markets function put on full display with this “dialogue” (I use that term “dialogue” loosely).
As always, the ignorant speak the loudest
Sox on
March 1, 2021 4:06 PM
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Offering to cap and trade to competitors - also obviously not was a colluder would do. Neither of these would be beneficial
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 4:05 PM
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6 vs 4 excluding myself and Pratt
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 4:04 PM
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I hope you've read enough of these comments to understand you are likely in the minority even if the vote shook out this way. lol
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Rather than a hard cap I'd prefer to use LeagueSafe or some 3rd-party admin to adjust the payout system and dis-incentivize finishing toward the bottom. Right now there is no difference between finishing 4th and 12th and that sucks.
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Given how the league voted, I hope you can realize you’re in a minority opinion and move forward competing. I’m also happy to further trade off talent to other teams👍
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 4:03 PM
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I don't think most of the league had an issue with the cap. I also don't think a cap solves what is being alleged here.
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Im happy to start a hard cap next year as well. Obviously can't change rules post draft
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I’m happy to enforce a rule around that going forward, if league votes for it, *even if it doesn’t benefit me as I’m in great shape for a 2022 huge salary*
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 3:59 PM
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Every team sells we just do it at different times. I 100% support a soft cap of 400 and a hard cap of 500 or 600. But I wont pretend it is for moral or ethical reasons or for league integrity. I just think it is more fun to try and go for it every year and would add parity. But it is totally understandable why someone would take the extreme sell all buy all approach. I just wont do it.
Big Potato on
March 1, 2021 3:57 PM
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Both teams have embraced extreme selling and buying. Team Pratt for years now. It is obviously going to rotate year to year with one selling and one buying. I don't think this rises to collusion because this isn't a secret and both are very open about it. Team Pratt made it painfully clear how horrible my team was and my managerial style was before trading with Matt as he wanted to trade with me. I said no since I dont think it is fun not because I dont think it is the right strategy.
Big Potato on
March 1, 2021 3:54 PM
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Well I still have a lot to sell. I’m happy to further sell to anyone. I’d also prefer to keep the league together, if we want a salary cap going forward we can put it to a vote
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 3:53 PM
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Good job.
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Glad we’re on the same page. Feel free to post a trade and go through the data and see if we can find a case where I took a worse trade :)
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 3:40 PM
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Ah yes, it's my terrible trade offers that have caused you and pratt to swap farms since 2018.
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Uh, again...lack of offers doesn't validate what you two are doing...
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Ya, I think we've had a max veto total of maybe 2? It's very very hard to get a trade veto'd
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If you offer equivalent trades and I always go Pratt sure, I get it. You offered my Royce Lewis (!! With no ACL) for Scherzer. What the fuck else move can I make? Your shitty offers caused this , not my collusion
BeachBoys on
March 1, 2021 3:30 PM
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Does anyone know how the veto works in practice? Ottoneu rules say "majority (50% + 1 vote)" which is a tall hurdle - would require a 7/10 supermajority of non-involved teams to oppose.
I'm not saying that's right course of action here, just asking. To anyone aggrieved by this trade I think your better course of action is to help me build a stronger team by accepting Paul Dejong for Aroldis Chapman and other similar moves.
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That’s a very sensible statement, Just.
Karn Kids on
March 1, 2021 3:30 PM
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Matt, I don't really get how you can't see where we are coming from. You two have done these types of swaps with each other multiple times. It isn't coming out of nowhere.
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I for one wish he wouldn’t of... then I wouldn’t be in this mess!!
Karn Kids on
March 1, 2021 3:28 PM
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Naw man lol, I love my team and had no interest in making a move. I've defended 100% of people against whining on trades historically because you really only veto for one reason, collusion. I am pretty sure I even defended you guys when JBY was going off about you guys running a 3rd team and working together. This is the ONLY time since this league started I will be vetoing a trade. It's the only time I genuinely feel there may be collusion and the only time I've mentioned it.
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I think JBY probably had the right idea to ditch this league when he did....
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