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Hi folks, I'm not a big fan of vetoing trades - I think fantasy baseballers assume we have far more accuracy and precision on the fairness of trades in the moment. There is a ton of uncertainty over how these things actually turn out – the error bars moving into the future are huge. Vetoing a trade basically says we know what's best for other people's teams & strategies. Not to say it’s never warranted, but I prefer playing in leagues that rarely, if ever, veto, even for “unfair”
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Just to clarify: the ill intent bright line only applies to the commissioners getting involved. I have no reason to doubt that the trade was well-intentioned. However, owners set their own rationales for a veto, so they may look beyond the ill intent argument to determine how to vote.
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There was no ill intent - the offer was made by the owner giving up Cole (after numerous offers and counter offers involving Flaherty), who obviously felt like he was getting enough back to justify the trade. What more is there to be said than that? I'd also ask people to consider what the value of the cap room ($23, I think) is, and what sorts of players can be acquired with that money.
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I’d be interested in hearing from the owners involved to get a reason why I shouldn’t veto that trade.
Southbay on
November 22, 2019 2:50 PM
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Regarding the Cole trade: As commissioners, we won't take any action on a trade unless there is evidence of ill intent. However, the trade voting process acts as a way for the league as a whole to rule on a trade. I would encourage everybody to vote as they see fit. As a reminder, it takes seven votes (50% + 1) to invalidate a trade. If anybody has further concerns, shoot me a DM.
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Hi everyone, my other league is looking for an owner for this team, https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/160/team?team=1221. It is easy to find a poorly run roster in need of overhaul. But how often will you find a reigning champion with a $736 payroll? Drop me a message if you're interested and I'll connect you to the league's commissioner.
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I am equally concerned.
Southbay on
November 22, 2019 11:08 AM
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I have real concerns about the balance in this G Cole trade.
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One last reminder that arbitration concludes about 24 hours from now. Be sure to finalize any allocations before then. Starting Friday, trades are allowed. Happy hot stove season!
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Dropped in to remind people that the arbitration deadline is coming up, but found I was one of the only people who hadn't completed :) Remember to make any last minute adjustments to your allocations by Thursday. I'll ask people about schedules for drafting once the new year comes around.
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Welcome Mad Hatters
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Good to have the new owners aboard. Looking forward to the off season and draft!
Acuna Matata on
October 18, 2019 10:46 AM
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Hi - i've claimed the Dark Matter team. It looks to be in rough shape, but I enjoy a good reclamation project. Give me a few days to peruse rosters before I make my arbitration allocations. But I am an active owner, so hopefully I'm joining a stable, active league!
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Hey all, I am heading out of town for a few weeks on a much needed vacation. My allocations are complete, so I shouldn't miss anything in that span. Don't want you to think the new guy bailed! Take care.
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Also, if anybody wants to propose any amendments to the league charter, please submit those changes via PM to me or Harmless Errors by November 1. We'll vote proposed changes as a league at that time.
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Happy arbitration season, folks! Be sure to allocate all of your arbitration dollars by November 14. I'll keep working on finding an owner for our last unclaimed team before then. Feel free to post arbitration questions and observations to the message board.
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Welcome to the league, Bill. You can find our league charter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPWh08szIJ_wr0mZAmCOvGJTJKUWJ1p2jeUh4Dl4nL4/edit?usp=drivesdk.
It's a good idea to look that over as it lays out all the basics. If you have any questions, let me know.
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Good morning all, I am Bill I just claimed this team from the claim a team board and am excited to join up. I have completed 2 years on Ottoneu in the 5x5 Old School $20 tier and wanted to find a team in the $50 tier in Fangraph Points for a more nuanced experience and wanted to get in in time for the allocation arbitration period. I am committed to long term. I have been in two Yahoo! keeper leagues for 10+ years. Look forward to building up this team and making deals!
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Looks like we will need two new owners for Dark Matter and Skykings. If anybody knows someone who wants into the league, they have first dibs. Let me and Harmless Errors know if you have any candidates. We'll start advertising for the open spots within the wider Ottoneu community next weekend.
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Congrats Dukes. Amazing that our race was even closer than last year. I will definitely be back for the rubber match ;).
Craictastic 🍻 on
September 30, 2019 2:04 AM
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Congrats on the win Dukes! I'll certainly be back next season. Cheers to all!
Southbay on
September 29, 2019 10:12 PM
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44 points. I bet that's one of the closer ottoneu finishes. Congrats to Dukes and a good season by all. I hope that ownership doesn't fire anyone in this league. But if your ownership is going in a direction please tell us ASAP so we can start looking for a replacement owner.
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Here's a helpful graphic if you are more visually inclined: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1I51quGaMdCqjZMWY345SDiepQX9vQCJ4RrhB5Rbvx_I/edit?usp=sharing
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Forgot one: * Trades are not allowed from the end of the regular season through the end of arbitration.
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* Arbitration starts on October 15. * Any proposals to amend the league charter should be submitted to me by then so the league can vote during arbitration on proposed changes. * If you need to step away from the league for any reason, please let me know ASAP so a new owner can take part in all of the offseason activities.
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Hey everybody, great season. We still have a bit of business to settle on the last day, so enjoy the last day of regular season baseball. A few notes about the upcoming offseason. * Once the season is over, roster and salary caps no longer matter. You can cut players if you'd like, but roster additions are disabled until after the draft. * Automatic salary increases ($2 for MLB players, $1 for players in minors) will take place shortly after the season ends.
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If you want to see full auction results (including all bids submitted), go to Players > Auctions, then click on the date link next to the player. Lots of interesting info in there.
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I want to be able to see how many people bid....
Acuna Matata on
August 21, 2019 6:44 AM
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I noticed that half the league bid on Aaron Sanchez. If anyone wants to deal for him now, drop me a line. At least his injury isn't a blister this time.
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Thanks Dukes.
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The Skaggs cut penalty has been removed.
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That's a good idea, Meat. Let's draw up some language this offseason so the league can vote on the proposal.
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And, yes, I realize that my thoughts are morbid, but it is that kind of day for this Angel's fan.
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Just had a thought: maybe the addition to the charter (eliminating the cap penalty) should include stuff like players being forced to retire for non-baseball related injuries (e.g., paralyzed in a car accident, or advised by doctors to retire for a heart-related issue). Carlos Carrasco's blood issue would count, but a career-ending injury in the course of a game would obviously not. Thoughts?
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Sorry, did my math wrong. It only takes eight favorable votes to ratify a proposal, so four or fewer objections means the $3 cut penalty will be waived.
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Yeah, the penalty can be wiped clean. How about we treat this like introducing a new rule (as detailed in the league charter). If you have an objection to eliminating the Skaggs cut penalty, shoot me a PM in the next 24 hours. If I don't hear from you, I'll assume you don't have a problem with it. If three or fewer owners object, I'll cancel the penalty at noon EDT tomorrow.
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100% on board. RIP Tyler Skaggs
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I think the commish can. Although Dukes knows the commish tools far better than I do. How would people feel about reducing the salary cap penalty for Tyler Skaggs to $0?
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I agree with that. Can the commish eliminate the penalty?
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There shouldn't be a cap penalty for cutting Skaggs. Can't blame the owner for that tragedy.
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It's all good. Thanks for looking into it.
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Heard back from Niv, and unfortunately nothing can be done to change the points since the system acted as expected and all parties acted in good faith. Might have to chalk this up as an act of God scenario. For what it's worth, Niv did say that he had never seen something like this before, so we likely just experienced an Ottoneu first.
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Yeah, that was a crazy set of circumstances. Ottoneu treats DH as a single game for lineup purposes, but let me reach out to Niv to see if anything can be done.
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Yes, it is a thing with Ottoneu. If there is a double header, all players are frozen when the first game starts. I would think there would be a way to treat them as individual games, but I am not a programer. Just bad luck that the game the night before was rained out.
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So here's a wacky thing. (This is not a complaint, but I also don't love it.) My trade with Albuquerque went through today. David Fletcher appears on my roster today, while Max Scherzer doesn't appear on my roster until tmrw. I assume this is because 1) The trade went through this afternoon but 2) because the Nats had already started the first game of their DH, Scherzer stayed locked in even though he pitched Game 2...? Weird. I'd have liked to have those Scherzer points, obv.
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Now the daily point totals look correct. But my team isn't in first place. Where it belongs. Obviously. So something, besides my evaluation of players, is broken.
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Yeah everything has been weird all day. I’ve seen my points in both of my leagues wildly fluctuate all day. This morning it looked like no points were scored yesterday and now I also see everyone at negative points today.
Southbay on
June 16, 2019 3:16 PM
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Are the Ottoneu standings acting funny for any one (besides the fact that your team isn't in first)? The standings say my team is -102 points for the day. I know I've had some rough pitching performances this year, but not negative-102-in-a-day rough.
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Skykings 's trade block has been updated!
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All right, Meat. Give him your heat's trade block has been updated!
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