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I’m in.
No Names on
October 7, 2020 10:10 PM
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I'm in
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I am in
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I'm in for 2021.
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already paid for 2021 - in
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LIMITED TIME OFFER: start your FREE trial of the Loggerneu GroupMe chat room today!
https://groupme.com/join_group/60955612/y2dZN9dz
I'm having a blast in there!
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I am in!
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Following up guys! Haven’t heard back from anyone. If you’re in or out, either way let me
know
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And with that, this 1/3rd of a season is a wrap. I know it's not the season we wanted, but it's the on we got. Arbitration begins 10/15 and as always, it is mandatory to participate. So, with that in mind, we need to know who will be back next year! If you are on the fence about 2021 that's fine, just make sure you allocate your arbitration dollars. If you know for a fact you have no intention of returning, let us know so we can get the search for a replacement started.
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Congratulations to the Champion, and the other trophy winners!
Shrunken Heads on
September 28, 2020 8:54 AM
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Congrats Juan Soto. You have a crazy good team. Thanks for letting me jump in and participate this year guys. It was fun.
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Don't forget guys, in order for your pitching stats to count you have to reach a minimum of 460 IP. Otherwise it's all 0's. Looks like almost half the league is projected to miss the cutoff so if that's you, time to make some ground up!
Nuke LaLoosh on
September 11, 2020 2:16 PM
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Hey everyone, just a reminder that the trade deadline is just five days away. Get those last minute trades in!
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Looks like JV is out for the year. Entertaining offers from anyone who wants a 2021 asset since I'll have to shed some salary in the off-season anyway.
Nuke LaLoosh on
August 8, 2020 3:40 PM
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I'd just like to bump the GroupMe again: https://groupme.com/join_group/60955612/y2dZN9dz
I posted a link to the Constitution in there that I'm hoping we can ratify this winter.
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Thanks for setting up the group Dave! I’m in. And the constitution looks good. Thank you for working so hard on getting these clarifications on paper.
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Hey everyone! I got a lot of responses for both but ultimately got more for groupme. I'm dropping a link to the draft constitution there that Pat and I put together so everyone can review it, we can make tweaks as necessary, and then we can ratify in with any changes in the off-season.
Here's the link for the group chat:
https://groupme.com/join_group/60955612/y2dZN9dz
If you have zero interest in the groupme and still want to review to Constitution, send me a message and I'll get you a link.
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Opening day!! I know this has been the most eventful yet uneventful off season ever but we’re here! Get your lineups set and lets get this sprint started!
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Hey everyone! I apologize for all the message board postings here lately. The latest rule discussion had me thinking that we should have a more informal group chat for easier discussion in the future as well as bringing us closer as a league. Pat suggested we make a channel through the Ottoneu slack which is an option, but I wanted to see if anyone preferred group me, what's app, discord, etc or if anyone was wholly opposed to the idea. I look forward to your responses!
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I just lost two starting OFs on the same day.... so if anyone has a depth OF (thinking <$5), hit me up with offers.
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Secondary reason: change encourages engagement. It may not be the season we want, but it’s the season we’ve got. And the payout for first place is the same either way. Embrace the weird season and make your team the best you can.
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Primary Reason; to deviate from the written Ottoneu rules on this topic, I would want to see a unanimous decision. We all play under these rules so they should be rules we all agree upon and can operate under. By engaging on the Ottoneu platform, this rule is clearly provided without ambiguity. In fairness for everyone, it is best to not deviate.
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Love the debate guys, but we’re going to take a bazooka to a problem that may benefit from a rifle here. Arbitration and raises will proceed as usual and as written in the primary Ottoneu rules.
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You did say "many," I shouldn't have called it a blanket statement. And you're right that I can't assume everything will stay the same, but you can't assume they won't. And thats really my main point: we are trying to make adjustments when we have no idea if or what the problem may be. Again, if the majority wants to make changes, I'll back down, but I see at least 1 other manager in agreement with me.
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I get that SABRtooth and those guys who get a cup of coffee this year would get the $2 inflation for MLB service. Also, I said many, so it was definitely not intended as a blanket statement by any means. I'm talking about guys who weren't necessarily projected to come up this season, the ones who were set to start this year in AA or below who we can't just assume will still be called up along the same timeline because they're in the middle of their development.
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I really disagree with the blanket statement that guys will be just as far away from the bigs going into 2021 than they were to start 2020. MLB contracts will be expiring, everyone will be a year older, and injuries (not to mention COVID) will continue to happen. Guys who were projected to get a cup of coffee this year and come up next year will almost definitely still get a cup of coffee this year and come up next year. The development might be different, but the timelines probably aren't.
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I think the nuance of not having MiLB raises is the best middle ground because even though they still age, they're not playing any games and many will be just as far from the bigs as they were to enter 2021.
By the way, I'm going to work with Pat to have a league constitution before next season to help with votes like this.
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Of those two options, I am in the business as usual camp- full increases and arbitration. My other league we are doing where MiLB are NOT getting inflation, but if in the effort of consistency/ease in this league, I'm fine with just normal increases and arbitration.
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When it comes down to it, if I'm the only dissenting voice, I'll write my about my stance like in the Supreme Court, and accept the decision. No matter what, everyone will be under the same rules, so its going to be fair regardless of the details. I know Juan said it needs to be unanimous, but no hard feelings if we go against my opinion.
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It's a fair argument to make that we shouldn't do business as usual, but in that regard, I would argue that Arb would be a better way to do things than a flat rate. Not everybody will be advancing at the same rate, so Arb can be that nuanced approach we are trying to figure out. My argument in favor of keeping the flat bump on top of that is because inflation should still be a part of our game, plus it encourages more turnover, which makes things more exciting.
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I get the points SABRtooth makes, and while I agree on some things, I think a flat inflation rate is sufficient for this offseason. I don't care to drag out a debate here, this was more than I usually do. Ultimately, I don't agree with taking a business-as-usual approach because business has not been usual this season. That being said, I will happily go along with whatever the league agrees to do. I just want baseball back.
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I always welcome and encourage the debate. Differing opinions breed a stronger and more involved league. The reason for the all or nothing stance stems from a lack of ability to enforce and regulate "off the record" rules more complicated than an all or nothing decision. While I agree this season could benefit from a more nuanced approach, I do not believe the league is well set to implement and regulate this.
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To address Bohm's point: even though I don't have confidence in a proper season happening, all of those things you mentioned can, will, and have been happening. Players have gotten hurt, players have been traded. That will continue. Breakouts may be tough to see, but they won't be non-existent. Not to mention aging. Time stops for nobody. Things will be different going into next year than they were going into this year, so don't eliminate the mechanism to account for that.
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I think there's a fair debate to be had about the details of what is being discussed. If Option B is so all-encompassing that all salary adjustments are removed, then I'm definitely against that. To my own detriment, probably. But I just don't think it's the right move.
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In order to move forward with option B, we must have a unanimous decision as this is a deviation from the Ottoneu rules as published. So if anyone is against option B speak now and we’ll operate under the same raises and arbitration rules as we have the past few years.
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I think this conversation has outgrown its original intent, so let’s boil it down to two options. A) Move forward with all raises and arbitration as prescribed by Ottoneu or B) Forego all raises and arbitration this season.
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I understand the purpose, but don't know that passing arb this year hurts the competitive balance considering we'd being doing this round of arb and the 2021 auction based mostly on 2019 numbers. Some of the components that help arb balance competition won't happen in between cycles - breakouts, melt downs, injuries, trades - and without those, what are we trying to balance out? Arb just seems like unnecessary inflation given the situation.
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Realistically, a lot of the rules of this format are in place to mimic MLB rules. With that in mind, we should just maintain things like they have to do.
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I don't think we should change anything. The $2 bump, minor league bump, arb process. Leave it all. Just because there is no minor league season, doesn't mean those players don't age. Their call-up time frame is like unaffected, so their future value curve won't really be affected. And the $2 bump is basically just to simulate inflation; it isn't related to arb. Arb needs to be there for the same reason it is every year: improve competitive balance.
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It should be all or nothing, no reason to complicate the matter. I feel like the $2 increase is enough in this situation. What happened to this season is sad, but out of our control. A short season is cool for redraft, but throws a serious wrench in the dynasty machine because we pick (most) players with more than just the current season in mind. We're already losing a year of production from our rosters, I'd rather not salt the wound by getting hit with salary spikes as well.
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I agree that whatever should be settled before the season.
I like having some level of arb but if people want all or nothing, I vote no arb but keep $2 MLB raises.
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But regardless of what we decide, it has to be settled before the season. Like Bohm said, it's going to be a shitshow season for roster moves so we should at least have rule clarity as we navigate it.
Nuke LaLoosh on
July 11, 2020 10:20 AM
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Disagree strongly - arb should be all or nothing. Players are already getting full $2 increases for 37% of a season (if all goes well). Either we scrap it altogether to suppress inflation or leave the process unchanged. Splitting hairs just complicates the process.
Nuke LaLoosh on
July 11, 2020 10:19 AM
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I'm fine reducing arb- but if games are played and we award a title, I think we should have some level of arb but definitely not the full amount. Maybe a total of $18 with a max of $2 per team but only if more than 45 games are played? The numbers can change but what do you think about the concept?
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I agree with minor leaguers' salary staying the same, but recognize my bias on that topic as well as the following. My thinking falls in line with Nuke's proposal. I don't see how sending our rosters through the arb process twice before getting a full season makes sense. Even if there is a short season, I'm not going to alter my roster to compete this year, it will be a shitshow of roster moves as guys get sick - for dynasty purposes, it's a lost year.
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Pretty ambivalent on prospect raises - most of mine are close enough that they may get the full MLB raise anyway. If we want to discuss shelving raises altogether, my opinion may get stronger.
If we're discussing terms for next off-season, I would like to propose a gentlemen's agreement to punt arbitration. I recognize I may be biased here since I have lots of cost controlled talent, but after a short season I think it would help everyone preserve the rosters we were all constructing pre-COVID.
Nuke LaLoosh on
July 10, 2020 7:10 PM
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I’m with Squirrels on this one. The Ottoneu update gives the commissioner the ability to overwrite the automatic increase to MiLB players. With no changes to MiLB guys, I’m not sure why we would increase their costs.
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I vote for following the Otto policy, rather than trying to create our own special policy after the fact. Only fair to switch with forewarning so people can cut/draft accordingly.
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Hey everyone, Ottoneu posted an official update for rules for the season which can be found at the top of the site. Going off that, I'd also like to propose something for discussion. The plan for this year is to increase salaries normally, but I feel that with the minor league season canceled outright, it doesn't make sense to raise their salaries (except for arbitration) when they play no games. As a team with a ton of prospects, I realize I may be biased so I want the league's opinion.
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Friends, Mr. Blind Squirrels has offered to take over as commissioner starting in the 2020 off season. As long as we have no objections, I will be adding him as the co-commissioner for this season to help him learn the ropes with plans to turn over the reins at the conclusion of the season. If anyone has any objections to this plan please let me know by Friday 7/10.
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