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No
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Voting yes. It seems simple to me, you picked up a $49 player on the last day and 10 days later a few of us were waiting for the rosters to become valid and started asking about it before we started arb. There isn't anything new or retroactive that I can see. Haven't seen an argument for invalid rosters yet. Seems telling that some are all about it starting next year without much resistance. Having extra players is either ok or it is not. No hard feelings either way though, lets move on.
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i appreciate the spirited debate, leaguemates... time to vote-- please respond in this message board... we'll vote on future rule later, but this first vote is about this year... Yes- we should force teams to cut to get into end of season legal rosters... vs. No- no adjustments to rosters this year. I will abstain from voting as I am one of the 3 teams who ended the year with an invalid roster
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What you're basically saying now is that the current penalty (not being able to make further moves during the season) is inadequate and you want to implement a new penalty system. Fine. I truly support that. Just not retroactively.
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Because the penalty is already built into the game. It's like hack-a-shaq. Remember when everyone just fouled Shaq all the time? The other teams decided to just take the penalty that existed, which was having Shaq shoot free throws. Everyone eventually decided that was lame and changed the rule so anyone else could shoot free throws so teams had even less incentive to foul Shaq. They didn't go back and award the Lakers extra free throws in all the games that were already played, tho
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I think it'd be best just to establish that your roster has to be in a valid state heading into the off-season starting next season. I believe forcing any roster changes at this point is unnecessary. It was an odd season, and I don't think any of those teams were trying to game the system.
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It is not about time, it is that you can't proceed with any other business until you're valid. You don't have to cut the most recent pickup, you can cut anyone you want to become valid. And you're going to have to cut some players in the near future anyway. I can't figure out why you think it is ok to have a few extra players or extra cap space before we enter arbitration and then again before we start trading.
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I think we all agree that is ok, so what we are now saying is that purposefully going over for a certain amount of time is what we want to prevent. So what we are proposing is essentially saying you can exceed the roster limit, but only for a certain amount of time, and if you exceed that time, we are going to do X. X being having the prior move negated or whatever. That's a fine rule and I support it. But it should only be applied after being clearly established and announced
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That rule is impossibly vague. You are creating a new rule by adding an additional enforcement mechanism. For example, almost every team exceeds the salary cap at some point in the season by picking up a player that puts them over the cap or the maximum number of players, then cutting someone else shortly thereafter. There is no additional penalty for that team even though they violated the letter of the rule you cited by knowingly going over the cap/player limit.
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So not creating a new rule. Just enforcing existing rules.
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Rule I c states: At no time shall a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits. If a team knowingly does this, they will face penalties at the discretion of their league's commissioner.
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This is not creating a new rule. Rule I b states: If at any time during the season any team's cap room is not greater than or equal to 40 minus the number of players on that team's roster up to 40, that team is considered in an invalid state. In this circumstance, the team will be frozen until the issue is resolved. The owner will be forced to cut a player to resolve this issue, and will not be able to perform any other activities in the game, including editing and making auction bids.
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If you want to create a rule that every roster must be valid at the end of the season or else...(or else what by the way? The last move is taken back? The commissioner forces you to get compliant?)...that's fine. But that would be creating a new rule and enforcement mechanism and you can't change rules retroactively or else it's fucking chaos.
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You can't enforce that rule retroactively, however. In my case, Arenado went up for auction with like 2 days left in the season and I bid on him (along with like more than half of the league). My roster became invalid and I couldn't make any moves after that, so my penalty was to not be allowed to start any additional auctions or bid on any new auctions started by anyone else. That was the rule in existence in this league at the time.
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I have no problem with a rule that every team must have a valid roster entering the offseason. In another league I'm in, we have a rule that every invalid roster must be made valid within 2 days or the commissioner negates the prior move that made a roster invalid.
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Same here; every other league I am in requires a valid roster entering the off season. Non-compliant teams go into the off season with an unfair advantage. The rules are pretty clear and we should enforce them at all times.
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Every other league I'm in you must have a valid roster on the last day. Don't see why we should allow some teams to go over the cap or allowed roster spots. The rules imply that a team shouldn't partake in any further business until a roster is valid.
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On May 1, I complained about the same, and was ruled against. Interesting that the same team is again doing, at best, gaming the system. Rules, IMO, are clear, and that these teams should be made to follow the rules and have valid rosters. With that said, and fact that I am leaving after arbitration, my opinion is that enforcement should begin now. And, respectfully, I recuse myself from voting because I am not going forward. Again, thank you for the experience.
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Feel free to argue your side in this forum if you feel strongly. Then let's vote!
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... rather we've just allowed the site lock outs to do the enforcing. I propose we have a 2 part league vote: Part 1- should the 3 teams who ended with invalid lineups be forced to cut down now? Part 2- should we have active enforcement of the valid lineup rule moving forwards? Homer/Fin/I should abstain from part 1's vote. I feel part 1 should be unanimous to force a new change. All should be able to vote Part 2, for which simple majority rules.
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It has been brought to the attention of your commissioners that 3 teams ended the year with invalid lineups: Fin, Homer and me/Chippy. The question is do we retroactively enforce the valid lineup rule, forcing these 3 teams to drop players now to achieve what would have been a compliant lineup on the last day? There is a ottoneu site rule stating that at all times owners must keep their rosters in compliance. That being said, to my knowledge, a commish has never enforced that rule... 1/2
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Mystical Alien Gnome Alliance will not return. I appreciate the experience.
Alien Alliance on
September 30, 2020 9:00 AM
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congrats to the top 3, all hail our new ruler Spuddy-- remember that arb starts Oct 15th, so take a breather, but don't go too far. Another reminder-- we will be sticking to our traditional offseason rule that you MUST purchase next year's league dues BEFORE making any trades/adds/drops etc... if anyone isn't going to come back next year, please let me know
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Congrats Spuddy, well played. I'll get you next year... And thanks everybody for the season!
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Thanks, looking forward to a full season next year!
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Congrats Spuddy
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Nice season (or whatever this year is called) everyone. K/9 Unit will be returning next year and hoping for some year 2 improvements! Congrats to the placers.
👹 Wendigos 👹 on
September 24, 2020 9:23 AM
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sorry to see you go, IceBear... Shane Bieber just called and asked what more he could have done to get you to stay
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Hey guys great season! Polar Bears are leaving the league after the end of the season. Thanks guys.
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HOT DAMN!
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Strasburg and Sale available on waivers and FA!
Not Big Papi on
August 26, 2020 11:25 AM
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With all my injuries, I don’t think I have a run in my squad this year. Kershaw, freeman and Darvish available to contending teams among others. Just send me an offer or message
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Yeah, fun times! I have a feeling more players might decide to bite the bullet fearing a lost season anyways.
👹 Wendigos 👹 on
March 25, 2020 10:34 AM
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K-9, Ill trade you thor for sale... sigh
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Interesting trades considered!
Not Big Papi on
March 21, 2020 5:23 PM
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trading is... OPEN
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DRAFT IS ON, Saturday 3/21 1p EST, as planned. See you in dollar days, Finny
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I've got only $1 bids to make. So I vote to keep unless anyone has some reason to delay. Never know what a league mate may have going on. My family is sitting around bored so I will welcome the distraction.
Not Big Papi on
March 20, 2020 1:15 PM
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Keep
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I’m ok with keeping the draft date as is, but I’m flexible
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I vote to keep the date.
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keep the draft as scheduled
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Decision time, leaguemates. Do we move our draft or keep same day? My preference is to keep draft next Saturday.
Due to: the difficulty of balancing 12 schedules and finding a new date in what might be a short amount of time; our league being a keeper league our decisions don't hinge quite as much on week to week spring info (hopefully). But this is a democracy, not a monarchy, so please give your 2 cents and if the majority wants to delay/recschedule, I will comply. -Chippy
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Fom Niv: If your league had some waiver claims processed from the end of the 2019 season, please feel free to use commissioner tools to undo them. I’ll make sure to cancel all active waiver claims at the end of each season in the future.
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I would have been into that idea. "Random Player Roulette" has a nice ring to it!
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Thanks Schwifty... my plan was to randomly add a mediocre player to everyone else’s lineup to even things out, but your idea is much easier
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It happened in some of my other leagues too, I think Niv said there was a glitch in the system and the best thing to do is remove the player through commish tools.
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I messaged Chippy about wondering if he had chatted with you. Since you are as confused as we are, I'll remove him right now. Very weird.
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Ummm, why did my team add justin smoak on 2/9? I didn’t do that and teams were locked after the cut deadline. Commishes, can you take care of that? Thanks
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OK, draft set for 3/21 1p est. Now time to drop some scrubs
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