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To be clear, this is nothing like “the recent dump trades”. Those are the kind of trades that are supposed to happen in a keeper/dynasty league - out-of-contention teams trade a ton of present value for a ton of future value. It makes no sense from a 2021-only lens but makes all the sense in the world from a rebuild lens. Unfortunately those trades only work when present value is exchanged for actual future value, not for overpriced cut candidates.
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Carter Kieboom was also a highly ranked prospect a year ago. That’s irrelevant. Player values aren’t static. I had interest in Puk because of the pedigree, but he’s now posting a 9.00 ERA and 2.00 WHIP at AAA. I had interest in Frazier coming off a good couple months, but he hasn’t been good enough to hold down a starting job. They’d have to be kept at $8 apiece next year. No way they go for anywhere near that at auction barring huge rebounds, and it’s tough to rebound from the IL or AAA.
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Your trying the less than more than wording. They are both actually owned in the % of all Ottoneu leagues. Your implying one is owned in over 95% and the other only owned in 25%(which is not correct).
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And you should be wording that as they are owned in about 75% and 95% of Ottoneu leagues.
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Carriage-In January you sent offers interested in Puk and Frazier. 3 months in season and struggling with injury doesn’t make them trash. If someone is playing for next year because they don’t feel like they can catch up(kinda like the recent dump trades made) this year, then Frazier and Puk still have talent and value. They are both still young and were highly ranked prospects like a year ago.
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Frazier, Puk and Diaz are each owned in less than 75% of Ottoneu leagues. McCullers, Ray and Edman are each owned in more than 95% of Ottoneu leagues. I have a lot of respect for the wisdom of the Ottoneu crowd. This is pretty straightforward.
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Damaged goods? Pretty much the entire league sent me offers wanting Frazier before season started. He was one of my hottest assets. Puk is a former first round draft pick that is still young. And Diaz is a solid bat hitting in the four hole on a good TB team. If this trade was made before season, you would be crying the other way. With the ridiculous trades made the last month, this sure ain’t one to be bitching about. GTFOH!
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Yeah I don’t understand that at all. If you’re not trying to win this year, you make deals to try to win next year. And if that doesn’t apply to you because you’re thinking you may not play next year, better to drop the team now so someone who does want to win can take it over. It undermines the integrity of the league if people are making deals that are not in their best interests. People are here for friendly competition, so the best way to help out your league mates is to actually compete.
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I agree and I am in same place in standings and I only make trades that can help me I'm not in it for them
All Proofs on
July 6, 2021 11:55 AM
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With all due respect, that logic doesn't sit well with me. We all have invested $100 and most have invested considerable time trying to build the best roster we can. The integrity of the league depends on each team managing in their own best interests. Once you start arbitrarily trying to "help" other owners, it damages the integrity of the league.
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Half way through the season 40 points to make up is alot.. especially with the lack of super stars available. Making a trade like this to maybe help some one else have a chance is my reasoning behind it.
Abd others have offered me trades earlier in the year but i still had a chance.. i no longer seem to have a chance this year so im willing to help.. i have to ties to any one player in partiuclar..
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I agree I don't see how this trade resembles fair
All Proofs on
July 6, 2021 10:34 AM
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I feel the same, that’s a very one sided trade
Carver High on
July 6, 2021 10:28 AM
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I was wondering the same
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I'd love to hear the rationale behind this trade from Killer Bees' perspective. Looks like 3 damaged goods/cuts for 3 solid players to me. I know we all value players differently and I generally don't comment because of that, but this one really has me scratching my head... maybe I'm alone on that.
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i think its loosely aligned to a 'margin call'.
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theres not much free money available in the league, maybe it can induce some chaos cuts. i made an overture towards a team or two that had some cash and they werent interested. i wasnt interested in loaning out mookie, so to the open market he goes.
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I had him in a league for $74, I did same thing I had players doing just as well for much less and players costing that much are very hard to move and you know you get your money back
All Proofs on
June 11, 2021 8:45 AM
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Assuming he plans to use the money now, so its a gamble that he can get better players with the free $60 then the return in a trade
Carver High on
June 11, 2021 8:14 AM
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I’m trying to understand why would you waive Mookie Betts. You should at least offer him up to trade and get something in return for him. Hell, anything in return would be better than just cutting him. Confused!
Las Piranhas on
June 10, 2021 11:41 PM
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Looking for bats, not the wet market kind.
Starting pitching available.
Pretty much everyone but Degrom.
I will sell pitching for $$
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Welp, that was quick. Like I said... Welcome to the new owner of Killer Bee's!
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Just FYI, Killer Bee's has bowed out of the league, citing unbearable time commitments that left him unable to properly manage his team. It is currently up on the Ottoneu available teams list, fully paid for the current season. If you know of anyone who might be interested in joining, you may inform them, accordingly. Regardless, I imagine the team will be quickly scooped up, as franchises in these type of leagues are highly coveted. Just wanted to keep everyone in the loop.
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Then don’t have a waiver process before the season starts. Just send the player to free agent list. Let teams then bid on the player.
Las Piranhas on
March 22, 2021 11:49 PM
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And why would it make sense to break the tie in favor of the lower ranked team from the prior year? Imagine you’re in a head to head battle in the last week of September, and you and your competitor are both trying to stream every last SP you can, but he’s winning every tiebreak because he finished lower the prior year, I’m guessing you wouldn’t think that made a whole lot of sense either.
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Well that’s a dumb way to do it in my opinion.
Las Piranhas on
March 22, 2021 7:58 PM
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i think niv flips the coin. i've seen it asked if it can be streamed or something for verification, but i'm not sure these concerns are taken seriously.
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And who flipped the coin?
Las Piranhas on
March 20, 2021 4:06 PM
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Says coin flip. But that’s a stupid way to determine if so. I might understand if it were a live in person draft.
Las Piranhas on
March 20, 2021 4:06 PM
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Can someone explain how Lake Superior was able to win the waiver claim for Carter Kieboom??? What determines the winner. I’m lower in league standings from last year.
Las Piranhas on
March 20, 2021 4:03 PM
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Want to give a heads up, I will be traveling and trying to draft. I’ll do my best to keep up, but can’t promise I’ll be on top of it like I normally am. Sorry for any issues.
Las Piranhas on
March 12, 2021 7:11 PM
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👍🏽
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Just a friendly reminder, boys. Ottoneu $100 Old School Hardball auction draft is tomorrow night, 8p EST. Be there and come prepared to nominate. We will do our best to prevent "passing," but the pause and reset will make the night longer, so if we can all do our best to get a player up for bids in the 30 second time allotted, it will make for a smoother night for all. Look forward to seeing you in the draft room!
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I’d prefer Sun-Thur. evening myself.
Las Piranhas on
February 28, 2021 3:52 PM
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works for me
All Proofs on
February 20, 2021 1:44 PM
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ok by me!
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If there is no late opposition, let's set Friday, March 12 for the draft, beginning at 8 p.m.
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So...are we any closer on a draft date?
All Proofs on
February 20, 2021 11:22 AM
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Hey guys - sorry for the slow response. I have drafts on 3/13, 3/14, 3/19 and 3/28, so would prefer one of the other dates on the list (3/5, 3/12, 3/20, 3/26) if at all possible. Also open to a weeknight draft if that's an option being looked at.
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If my math is correct, it looks like we have the following weekend options remaining as of right now (all evenings, starting after 730p EDT): Fri 3/5, Fri 3/12, Sat 3/13, Sun 3/14, Fri 3/19, Sat 3/20, Fri 3/26, Sun 3/28. We also have several weekday nights that have not been nixed. If there are any day of week preferences or any more conflicts, please sing out in the next 48 hours and then we will make a selection.
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i'd prefer not march 14th. but should be available most any time.
Octane Twisted on
February 15, 2021 2:52 PM
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cannot do March 10th
All Proofs on
February 14, 2021 8:53 AM
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Any night should be fine for me too. Thanks.
The Gozerians on
February 14, 2021 7:30 AM
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21st is only day I have a conflict so far
All Proofs on
February 13, 2021 9:53 PM
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Welcome aboard to all the new owners. Looking forward to competing with you. Regarding draft dates - March 6th, 7th, 11th, and 22nd are conflicts for me and would prefer to avoid those days if possible.
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it's like 2 hrs
All Proofs on
February 13, 2021 9:19 PM
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who can do a weeknight 730?
All Proofs on
February 13, 2021 9:19 PM
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Glad to be here....3/6, 3/7 and 3/21 aren’t good for me. Need 7:30pm or later almost any day
Carver High on
February 13, 2021 8:19 PM
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3/8 and 3/21 are no good for me so far.
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Welcome to our two newest owners, who have renamed their teams "Carver High" and "New Guy." Great to have you in what is a very challenging league with some great competitors. Now that we are back at 12 solid owners, all paid up for the 2021 season, it's time to start the fun process of agreeing on a date and time for the auction draft. MLB Opening Day is currently set for Thursday, April 1. Let's begin by sharing any time/day of week preference, plus any dates that you are d
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