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Personally I do not care who the league manager is, so I would abstain from that vote. As for the rules, I think they are clear about the roster and "knowingly going over," however, unlike the regular season Otteneu doesn't lock your roster. Most likely because of the 60 day DL. Ottoneu should do a better job of policing this type of situation, but they don't. Hence the grey area. I think it's simple on our end.
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I would submit that it might be more productive to propose how this league-specific rule should read and how it can realistically be enforced. I hear a lot of complaining, but no ideas on how to come up with something that can be understood and agreed upon by all going forward. Until that can be done, it seems like some of you are just set on penalizing me for some reason. That said, I will be happy to pass the commissioner duties on to someone else if that is the consensus of the group.
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The prior complaint was from some jackass who joined the league for about a month last offseason before he neglected to show up for the draft or pay his dues. I am sorry for the confusion regarding all of these players, but I did not start the bidding on any of them and even 6 weeks later we are unable to reach consensus on what the "rule" should be or how it should be enforced. I only took over as Commissioner in an effort to save the league when our last one dropped out just before t
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I have contacted Niv about our league. We do have the option to get a new Commish. Niv did actually let me know that he has other complaints regarding the Commish in our league as well. There must be others that have a problem with Commish as well. Evidently, enough for others in our league to contact Niv as well.
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:54 PM
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I would rather remain in this league. I think we have a good group. Just not happy with Torpedoes leading the group. Torpedoes is a fine owner and stays competitive. I just think the league needs to go in a different direction in who leads the league as Commish.
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:47 PM
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I would like to call for a league vote as to who wants a new Commissioner in our league. I am asking that owners please post your vote of Yes, prefer Torpedoes steps down as Commish and we get new Commish or No, prefer Torpedoes remains Commish. I vote Yes, I prefer we get a new Commish. I would rather have a less argumentative leader that is focused on being supportive and keeping the league together by following rules set forth.
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:38 PM
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Two rules below to explain what is already defined by Ottoneu. Read the rules above and the answer is there. No votes needed. Just follow the rules.
* At no time should a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits. If a team knowingly does this, they will face penalties at the discretion of their league's commissioner.
*However, there is no salary cap from the end of the MLB season until the keeper deadline.
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:27 PM
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c. Owners must always be able to field a 40 man roster for $400; therefore following the keeper deadline, a team salary must never exceed $360 + the number of players on the roster. However, there is no salary cap from the end of the MLB season until the keeper deadline.
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:23 PM
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. Players who have no major league service time (as defined by being placed on an active MLB roster at some point in the past 2 full seasons) will have their salary increase by $1.
ii. Players with major league service time will have their salary increase by $2.
c. Owners must always be able to field a 40 man roster for $400; therefore following the keeper deadline, a team salary must never exceed $360 + the number of players on the roster. However, there is no salary cap from the end of the MLB
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:22 PM
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VII. OFFSEASON
a. Before the end of arbitration, players may not be cut. Between the end of arbitration and the keeper deadline, players may be cut or traded. After the keeper deadline and before the auction draft, teams may not cut or trade any players.
b. Owners shall be permitted to retain any of their players at a salary which is increased based on their previous year salary. Rules for salary increases are as follows:
i. Players who have no major league service time (as defined by being pl
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:21 PM
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c. At no time should a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits. If a team knowingly does this, they will face penalties at the discretion of their league's commissioner.
Las Piranhas on
November 14, 2018 6:19 PM
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The Evil Pink Robots's trade block has been updated!
The Gozerians on
November 14, 2018 12:59 PM
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And that is what I did. I price-enforced the bids and got stuck with the players, none of which I put up for auction. Now it is the timing of making appropriate cuts that is in question. Ottoneu mandates by Jan. 31, but I went ahead and made some now as a good faith gesture. If somebody wants to propose a new league-specific rule that we can vote on, please do so. It seems to make the most sense that any players acquired at the end of the season must be made room for, but enforcement is tricky.
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So by "nobody" you actually meant "I". Glad we are now on the same page.
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A vote would only clarify this specific area in our league which the rules are uncertain.
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Oh FFS, you do realize we can go back and read what you wrote right? -- "When I saw that an absurd number of player auctions had tactically been initiated to expire within hours of the start time of the season’s final games, I felt it was my duty as commissioner to price-enforce by placing appropriate bids that would ensure nobody was loading up their roster for the offseason with a multitude of additional cheap players, however marginal they might be."
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"When I saw that an absurd number of player auctions had tactically been initiated to expire within hours of the start time of the season’s final games, I felt it was my duty as commissioner to price-enforce by placing appropriate bids that would ensure nobody was loading up their roster for the offseason with a multitude of additional cheap players, however marginal they might be." That was your statement. I don't care if you cut or not but there is a valid argument on whether it's
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I never stated that I bid on the players for the integrity of the league. I simply agreed that warehousing extra players, just like tanking, are areas of integrity that should be addressed if we are to be the best league possible. It's obvious nobody wants to go that far, so this assertion that I should be blindly stripped of these winning these bids is completely absurd. If I must cut every player I won the bidding on, what is the rule that is being proposed going forward? Think, people!
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That is the first time that you were totally upfront about your intentions. Now we can discuss the vague offseason roster rule as a league and put it to a vote. Everyone is pissed because you are the commissioner and this level headedness and sense of what is fair should be coming from you the commissioner.
Carver High on
November 14, 2018 9:53 AM
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The reason is because you stated it was for the integrity of the league. That was your statement. Then you back tracked and wanted to punish the teams who started the auction. Now you're fighting to keep them. It makes no sense. Which way is it? You haven't been approachable on this discussion, just defensive. Have a vote and a regular discussion and be done with it. This shit has dragged on for too long.
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Honestly, this whining has gotten completely out of hand. There is absolutely no rule in Ottoneu that clearly mandates I cut anyone at this time, much less specific players. I won the bidding on them fair and square, but as a good faith gesture in an effort to address this gray area going forward, I relented and made cuts far earlier than necessary. Why should I have to cut the specific players I picked up? That obviously was not the intent of the team who started the auction on them.
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You have been given every opportunity and a great deal of time to make this right. Instead of doing the right thing you argued with your fellow league mates and waffled between reasoning. You have until the end of day today to fix this.
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That's a bastardization of the rules. As previously stated, non-commish owners do not have the ability to make cuts after the season until arbitration ends. Which means that if a non-commish owner had done what you did, they would have been in violation of the rules for a month and a half before they could voluntarily make cuts without the help of the commissioner. It also flies directly in the face or your original statement of "protecting the integrity of the league".
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That's the rule. You can pick up players on the final day, so long as you create room for them. Simple and straightforward.
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Torpedoes, Torpedoes, Torpedoes! So, instead of being the commish and doing what's best for the league and picking up those 15 players and then putting them back as free agents so we as a league could decide how to handle that situation in the future, you decided to sift through them and take who you wanted. Wow! Nice work commish.
Carver High on
November 14, 2018 6:51 AM
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One week left. I trust all owners will finish their Arbitration dollars and this whole free agent debacle will be dealt with. After that, I think we have an exciting off season in store for both real baseball and fantasy. I've got a TON of trading to do, so be prepared!
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I agree with Hotspurs.
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Personally, I don't feel that's needed so long as the players in question are dropped before the end of arbitration. If his original statement is true and it was done to "protect the integrity of the league" then that's fine, just drop the players in question. If that doesn't occur, then I'm not opposed to a change.
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I would however like to call for a league vote as to who would like to request that Torpedoes step down as Commish in this league. My vote is that I do want Torpedoes to step way from Commish duties. He has failed to show the leadership qualities that is needed for Commissioner, therefore I vote we seek a new Commissioner for the league. Others, please post your vote/preference regarding seeking a new Commish.
Las Piranhas on
November 1, 2018 12:30 AM
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You, however are currently over the roster limit due to you winning the bids. So just make the cuts and you too will be good. It's as simple as that.
Las Piranhas on
November 1, 2018 12:21 AM
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There are no problems with you winning the bids. The problem is you have not followed rules and cut players as rules state you are supposed to do. See Section I Rosters-Overview, and look at c. Elefantes has done nothing wrong, I have done nothing wrong. If Elefantes had won the bids and was over the roster limit, then I would be asking for him to make his cuts. But he didn't win the bids, so no cuts are needed. I did make cuts for any players that I won and am not over the roster limit.
Las Piranhas on
November 1, 2018 12:19 AM
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Torpedoes-your really having trouble comprehending this. The one and only issue at hand is that you are grossly over the roster limit. I could care less who bid, who won last day auctions. It is not against the rules to bid at the end of the season. It is against the rules(and the rules listed above top right corner do define this) to be over the roster limit. Read the rules above or previous messages where it has been presented to you.
Las Piranhas on
November 1, 2018 12:09 AM
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you're the only one not competing with integrity. you added players, in season, and did not adjust your roster to reflect the rules. you instead coasted into the off season and then applied those rules to your roster.
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I have stated that I am not opposed to cutting players. I am all for expanding the powers of the Commissioner to ensure everyone is competing with the highest integrity. I just want to make sure everyone is clear on what precedent we are setting. I do not believe that I should be penalized simply because I am the commissioner. All the Ottoneu rules related to roster limits refer to in-season and pre-draft, so we are definitely customizing our league with whatever is decided here.
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it's been an entire month, instead of you just cutting players, youve accused me, accused others, and stalled out with inaction.
Octane Twisted on
October 29, 2018 12:58 PM
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please make some cuts so you are not grossly outnumbering every single other owner
Octane Twisted on
October 29, 2018 12:56 PM
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torpedoes, your argument about what i -might- have done has no legs. as an active owner, ive always made all required cuts within 24 hours, and i would have done so had i won auctions the last day of the season. insinuating that i was going to hoard and cheat, i frankly find that insulting. i could have easily cut the 15 guys that i had put up for auction, as i had the dollars to do so. your roundabout way of trying to accuse me, instead of just being a play fair commissioner is some bullshit.
Octane Twisted on
October 29, 2018 12:54 PM
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Evil, That is exactly what I'm requesting a vote on. You either agree with what happened or you don't. It's simple...
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Correct me if I am wrong, Killer, but my understanding is that we are requesting a vote on the following grey area of the rule: All teams must be in a valid state on the final day of the season. If a team wins an auction that puts the team into an invalid state on the last day of the season they must correct this, or the commissioner will have the authority to remove the player that has put their team in an invalid state.
The Gozerians on
October 29, 2018 10:21 AM
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Speaking of Commissioner power, please be reminded that there is a little over two weeks remaining in Arbitration--a process in which every team is expected to participate. If you fail to do so without offering any reason, I will take that as notification of your intent to not return and will vacate your team in order to find new ownership before mandatory roster cuts.
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What, exactly, is "this" that you are proposing, Killer? It is important, if we are setting a precedent for Commissioner powers, that we define exactly what the rule is that we are implementing.
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A vote is simple, give everyone 72 hours to vote and we can stop going back and forth. If you abstain from voting then your vote doesn't count. Only the votes placed on this forum will be counted. (I vote against)
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I have no problem allowing what you did to stand (Even though I don't agree) because Ottoneu allows for it to take place. I think it's simple, we take a vote. You vote for this to be allowed in the future or we vote against (if anybody who does this in the future then the commissioner will have the power to remove those players). Consequently, if we vote to be against then Torpedoes removes all the players added on the last day.
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Either we are going to strictly follow the Ottoneu website mechanism, playing by whatever means are “regulated by the powers at Ottoneu” or we are going to make league-specific adjustments that will establish $100 Old School Hardball as a league of the highest repute by developing our own modified rules to prevent warehousing players, tanking, and any other issues that may undermine the integrity of competition. You can’t have it both ways, so what’s it gonna be, boys?
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If I said to Elefantes and MasterBatters, “It seems that you have violated the spirit of a grey area in the Ottoneu rules, you should immediately release a bunch of players,” what would the response have been? Clearly we are dealing with something far greater than how many players I have on my roster. Of course I will be forced to make numerous cuts at some point. The only question is the timing. Do we really want to set a precedent of granting the Commissioner the power to dictate roster cu
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Because Elefantes has complained that I “stole his players,” his complaints of a rule “violation” certainly ring hollow. Similarly, MasterBatters is on record as stating that we should be able to play in any manner so long as it is explicitly “regulated by the powers at Ottoneu.” In fact, consider what might have transpired if I had not placed a bid on any of these players, and instead attempted to address this situation as Commissioner...
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All I did was place bids in this rather dubious auction flurry high enough to make the players not desirable keepers for whoever got them. If the bids by Elefantes and MasterBatters were fair market value, then my winning bids are at least $1 over fair market value, thus leaving their true utility to me doubtful at best. The fact that the other nine teams in the league felt not a single player was worth a bid of any amount clearly shows their relative value compared to already rostered players.
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Okay, before this warped perspective becomes any more twisted, we better review some facts. FACT: Elefantes started 15 player auctions to culminate on the season’s final day. Why would he do that other than an attempt to do exactly what I am now accused of? FACT: MasterBatters likewise bid on several of these same players, ostensibly with the same design. Short of any reasonable explanation, they obviously didn’t feel it was any kind of rule “violation” until they got beat at their own g
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I am technically over the roster limits, but I am not allowed to make cuts right now. This is how ottoneu works in the off-season. I am only over roster limits due to the DL; however, Ottoneu never intended on teams cutting DL players before the off-season. So being over roster limits is not an issue. The issue is intentionally gathering players to thwart the system. Now we can vote so everyone has this option to do so next year, but that should be established now (I'm against).
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Look if you did it to protect the league then kudos's, but you should still make the cuts now. The bids made by cienfuegos and Masterbatters on the last day were not illegal. In fact, you having the players on your roster now is not illegal by Ottoneu's end of season standards (if anyone disagrees then read the forums); however, it is definitely a grey area, but the league has spoken on how we should treat this. Just cut all the players you picked up on the last day and be done with this.
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