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I've already discussed it with him; we just value players differently, which is usually the reason for disagreements. I would have liked to have had a chance to counter or hear where my offer ranked, but we'll both do that next time hopefully.
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"If Cuddyer lives and returns strong that's a bonus" implies that even if he doesn't (cut), trading the 3rd best 2B YTD for an extra roster spot is worth it. I see at least 9 hitters on MP's team with RC+ < 100. Roster space can't be the issue.
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If Cuddyer lives and returns strong that's a bonus.
Caimans 🐊 on
July 13, 2014 6:51 PM
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Not sure how Hamels and or Agonz better deal - Hamels probably a keeper but still expensive, AGonz on the fence at best. That deal would've subtracted a roster spot instead of adding one. The roster spot is a huge thing for a rebuilding team.
Caimans 🐊 on
July 13, 2014 6:51 PM
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And...last call on Hanley for your SS/MI needs...
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Last call on Carlos Santana for your C, 1B, or 3B needs...
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Lucky Strikes's trade block has been updated!
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I didn't have an issue with the trade either I talk to MoPain enough that he knew I wasn't giving anything for Kinsler so even if Cuddyer sucks it might be enough
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That would frustrate me too, but in previous situations where Trey was the beneficiary the line was "well team XX got who they wanted". So I just think it's not fair given that past position to raise issues this time given the previous ones...
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Kinsler's availability was advertised, so that's not the issue here. I think the issue is that Trey did not get a chance to match an offer that he could have and would have matched. I can understand the frustration, though I didn't think the deal was bad.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 2:57 PM
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Just my two cents; i think your inconsistency on this point is way off base but I think you're a great owner whose engagement and enthusiasm is one of the best things for our league
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But given my millions of posts on trade process you can imagine I would be sympathetic to your frustration, it's just that you weren't expressing frustrations on the process when you benefit
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I do get it -- you disagree that he got a better deal than you offered. Not sure what given your previous positions there is to be upset about there
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The fact of the matter is Trey has to play in a league with owners not as good as him. I'm fine admitting that...but I still enjoy it because it's a game.
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Chicago Chiefs's trade block has been updated!
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EP, you don't get it. He did check in with me - we were engaged, and I was told he'd have to shop for a better deal. Cuddyer is the better deal? 36 y/o with a broken shoulder coming off a career year?
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Maybe this would be an appropriate time to reiterate that I'm about to trade Harper... 😉
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 1:34 PM
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It's a great deal for Chiefs; don't blame him one bit. He added points to his team by giving up absolutely nothing. Well done for him. Not getting any response or opportunity to counter a terrible deal is the frustrating part
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My views on trading are well established but honestly here the blatant inconsistency makes no sense to me
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Basically it sounds like when it benefitted you you were happy that teams didn't make sure they checked in on other teams, but in this case it doesn't help you and you're taking he other side.
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Maybe none of these guys are keepers, who knows, but after making another offer today I got no chance to counter. You're telling me Cuddyer is the best deal possible? At least I could offer healthly players < 30. Was never told $3 cap space was critical
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You, for one, have repeatedly said if MoPain got what he wanted in Cuddyer then it doesn't matter if you weren't given the chance to counter etc. so to hear you frustrated doesn't seem to make a ton of sense to me
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On Friday I engaged again and offered an initial Hamels + AGon for either Kinsler or Hanley just to get the conversation started again. Was told "that's a very interesting offer", but I need to shop him this weekend to make sure I get the best deal
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It is sour grapes, and I'll tell you why: Kinsler has been on MP's OTB since May 9th. I"ve inquired a number of times throughout the season asking what it would take with next to no response.
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Who said trades can't be questioned?
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+1 in Knights... I don't value Cuddyer at all but that's more than I would have given for Kinsler too
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Seems like a swap of likely cuts and therefore pretty uncontroversial to me. Although Kinsler is just overpaid while cuddyer is half dead.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 1:11 PM
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Cuddyer was cheap, position was right, Chiefs told me what he valued Kinsler at and we made the deal. Not sure what the issue is...
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I don't really think anyone argued against maximizing return... But I can't recall all 550 of those posts.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 1:10 PM
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Cuddyer at $11 very well may be a keeper, but even if not the cap space and extra roster space for a guy not being kept is a decent deal. That's more than I would deal for Kinsler. No offense but sounds like sour grapes at this point.
Caimans 🐊 on
July 13, 2014 1:07 PM
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The frustration would be more understandable if you hadn't fought me so aggressively for years when I talked about shopping and maximizing value on trades that were similarly odd but benefitted yo
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Given previous positions that trades shouldn't be questioned, demanding an explanation kind of makes me chuckle a little. I don't value Cuddyer very much but I also wouldn't trade a think for Kinsler given his price so it wouldn't shock if that wasmarket
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I think it's terrible value for Kinsler, but that's just my opinion. No chance Cuddyer is a keeper. Is he even playing in COL next year? More frustrated I got no response and no chance to counter.
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Easy to see as an outsider - not sure Kinsler is a $33 keeper. Cuddyer might be - even if not, the extra roster spot and cap space valuable now. Maybe he could've had more but I don't see anything wrong with it.
Caimans 🐊 on
July 13, 2014 12:51 PM
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Kinsler was just moved for a 35 y/o player with a "fractured shoulder". In a tight race I want to keep upgrades away from Chiefs, but I'd love to hear MoPain's rationale for that one
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Felix has 956 points at the all-star break. Would be willing to bet that that's a record for ottoneu scoring.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 12:38 PM
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Bryce Harper is 95% likely to get moved today....
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 12:34 PM
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Ian Desmond is also the poster child for the myth of positional scarcity.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 12:07 PM
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I still think Ian Desmond is the poster child for inflation though. Remember when he went for $40? Was probably "worth" $20 that year. Was then cut and still went for $32 this winter. Too much.
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Cespedes is the closest player I have to being cut and then auctioned for more. Cut at $22, resigned for $20. He's been well worth that for me so far this year.
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Before trading Cruz to Trey in May, I acquired Cruz and J. Zimmerman for Gomes and Wisler. Double and triple whoops.
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Durham Tobacconists's trade block has been updated!
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I remember being offered Cruz for peanuts in the offseason. Whoops.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 10:33 AM
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I cut both Utley and Cruz last offseason, hoping to get them cheaper at auction. Both were signed for more. Utley went from $19 to $22, Cruz from $11 to $15.
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Just booked tix for Reds/Cubs on August 26. Can't wait to see which call-ups are in attendance.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 10:23 AM
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Right but Jacob deGrom is for real and all those hitters aren't.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 10:23 AM
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Half of the top 15 hitters over the last 30 days are single digit dollar guys... Not sure fun with monthly splits is unique to pitching
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I'm thinking about never spending $30 on an arm again.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 9:13 AM
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I'm in discussions with another team about acquiring an expensive ace. Sticking point: Over last 30 days, I have six of the top 30 in FIP. Their *combined* salary is $23.
Eckfords ⚾ on
July 13, 2014 9:11 AM
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July 13, 2014 9:09 AM
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