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At least as far in determining asset value as performance
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Re 2013 impact though if you're going to be cutting and have decided to sell, it doesn't matter when the assets will be valuable something is better than zero. Also players that will play In the minors are assets, just as major league players prices go
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Obviously only sell if you can't win this year and I'm not watching the standing closely enough to say if you can
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if I trade guys tonight I want 2013 impact. May be hard to get this late, but that's cool - I have no problem standing pat.
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 9:14 PM
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I agree I'll have to shed salary - if my choices are shedding salary now for guys who probably won't help me next year or going for the title this year though, I'll go for the title.
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 9:13 PM
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Other than Lucky that's all. You guys have both been great owners this year but I don't think it's a state secret that you'll both have to work hard to shed salary
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Definitely not blasting anyone just pointing out some things from a viewpoint other than t
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Not Kemp, sorry, but a whole bunch of good OF.
Eckfords ⚾ on
August 31, 2012 8:30 PM
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I also wouldn't underestimate the availability of studs on draft day. I mean the 2012 auction had an all-star squad available, Kemp, CarGo, etc. I entered the 2012 draft with very little MLB talent and spent a good chunk of the seaosn in 1st.
Eckfords ⚾ on
August 31, 2012 8:29 PM
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Which is not to say I'd rather own Baez than Butler in 2013, bad example. But huge $5-10 producers are the key.
Eckfords ⚾ on
August 31, 2012 8:27 PM
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I think the value upside is the key point though. A $1 Javier Baez isn't all that exciting today, but he can potentially be a $7 A-Rod. A $17 Butler can never be a $7 A-Rod.
Eckfords ⚾ on
August 31, 2012 8:26 PM
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Speaking of making a run, Adam Wainwright is obviously not on the same page as the rest of my team tonight....
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being in a similar position, I agree with Strikes... I'd rather make a run at the title with the guys I have then to trade them for prospects who may or may not have any impact whatsoever next year
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 8:08 PM
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before reading the entire conversation thought it was me getting blasted - I turned down some deals of prospects for high salary today too.
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 8:07 PM
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If you want to pump your guys here that's cool, but where you diminish other guys and/or their assets that's where I think responses are needed (hence my responses). Just one man's opinion
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trying to move older salary guys to get some value before they're just jettisoned
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Cool. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing whom hits the cutting room floor as you cut down from $520ish 2013 dollars, and if it's easy even better the competition next year will be fun. I just don't see how its that easy, I would expect to see you
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I can bring back nearly my entire roster without much trouble at all. I think I can compete but am definitle open to the idea of rebuilding my farm where I can. Not sure what my "efforts" are. No doubt I'll talk up my players. It's part of the game.
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Hindsight is 20-20 as most of us would have happily paid $17 for Butler instead of $9 for Dunn after his awful season last year
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to be competitive next year, but that's ok, flags fly forever
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you're going to win this year it appears and you should be proud of that, it is a great accomplishment, but it feels like sometimes this board is used as a pulpit to further your efforts. You've got some serious cost cutting to do to retool if you want
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since there are perfect substitutes. Correa may be the stud he is supposed to be or may flame out, but there are fewer substitutes
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and again, if I had a roster that was constructed differently I might make the argument you're making about Colon and Correa, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to me because cheap middling MIs are always available, hence Colon doesn't have much value
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Butler is very solid at $17 and 5th at 1B scoring, significantly behind Cabrera. You could have gotten Adam Dunn, Corey Hart and some others that produce numbers closer to him than he is to Miguel Cabrera at the draft for less.
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Butler is core because 1) he's a top 5 1B, 2) he's at least $30 less than 3 of the 4 first basemen in front of him, and 3) there is no alternative in the draft at the position
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I'd argue a $1 C. Colon has more value just because of his proximity to play a role on a contending fantasy team. Correa will be dropped because no one can wait 4 years to see if he's worth $12
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Top prospects can have great value but it's a fallacy to think that the "others" don't have value or can't exceed their value just as much as to prospects. It's just as much about the dollars as it is the talent. That's why an $8 C. Correa is immovable.
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I can assure you that you will pay more than you plan to for players you're not wild about in the draft because that's all that's available
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I think the best owners spend their auction bucks where value exists, they don't dump extra on second tiers guys...
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I do think that the league is starting to see that "prospects" isn't that meaningful in that there are top flight guys and there are "others"
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but hey, if I was sitting on a roster that was costing $500+ in 2013 bucks I'd be trying to enhance the value of pricey players and minimize the value of prospects too
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If you're right, we'll see lots of guys auctioned over $60 and these $40 guys will seem like a bargain. Color me skeptical that that will happen, if you want to spend in the $40s you can get guys any year
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Billy Butler is your 8th highest scoring player this year. That's nice at his price. Core? Not sure
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...which means you end up spending more cash than you want on tier 2 or 3 players because of draft inflation. Finally realized it was better to snag difference makers before the draft
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That's what I thought about the opportunity cost too, but then when only a handful of stud players were voted off and made available in the draft, I realized it was slim picking. Had cash, but few players really worth getting excited about
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Of my many trades, I specifically remember agonizing over whether I should trade Alonso straight up for Butler. Finally pulled the trigger, and he's been the core of my season
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actually I don't think prospect prices are high, I think there's a disconnect about the opportunity cost of $40+ stars, but that is just my two cents
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...and if I'm wrong, prices should come down near the All-Star break when we find out which teams are in it. Still think I can compete again in 2013
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Well, I agree with Knights. Price of prospects seems very high. Willing to bet the price comes down in the off season as teams evaluate their chances for 2013
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or at least a run at the September prize
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 6:21 PM
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based on the offers I've been getting, looks like I'm still making a run at Strikes.
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 6:21 PM
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No takers for Ryan Zimmerman? He's a good player and a generally good human being.
Eckfords ⚾ on
August 31, 2012 5:01 PM
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Looking to trade one of my affordable catchers: Lucroy 3, Doumit 3 or Lavarnway 4. Willing to wait until offseason too.
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Lucky Strikes's trading block has been updated!
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http://tinyurl.com/9nwa5oz
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 1:24 PM
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Chicago Chiefs's trading block has been updated!
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I can't believe Joe Panik was cut
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Getting some hits on a few players; yes, willing to deal several MLB pieces, including Swisher, Cruz, Asdrubal, Butler
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I'll be unavailable after 3 pm central time today. So if you have an offer for me, send it by then. Thanks.
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I love that Darin Ruf is going to get his shot....with the Syndicate
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