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Strasburg isn't half the contract Sale is.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 3, 2012 11:16 AM
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Enrico will get to keep Strasburg simply because Trout is an MVP
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The other consideration is that the auction would be significantly less enjoyable without the vote-off. Particularly for rebuilding teams, those extra 12 talents can make a world of difference.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 3, 2012 9:42 AM
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I lost my best prospect (Matt Moore) through arbitration last year and could easily argue it was good for my team. He protected Bautista, etc, etc. I don't have any problem with the rule.
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Yanks are really speeding Tyler Austin through their system. Not sure why, he wasn't exactly crushing A-ball.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 3, 2012 9:02 AM
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The system just isn't crushing. I'm suffering the worst fate possibly, losing the MVP of the AL at $20 and it's merely another data point that I've built around. I've been able to do a lot of things because Trout has protected them...
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I'd lobby for a change within Ottoneu, not necessarily our league. Still like the idea where everyone gets to place $1 on a player on every other owner's team. Trout could go from $20 to $31, and still allows EP to build around a player he acquired
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I think I feel exactly how Nate does - it's the fact that you lose the player altogether (or least there's a strong chance you do), rather than just seeing his salary escalate. I agree we all knew the rules;
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That said, it's part of the framework and I joined the league aware of and therefore accepting of that framework. I think it should change, but wouldn't quit or lobby for a rogue change on our league's side.
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and I don't think the fact that he says he's fine with that makes the system fine.
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Essentially, the system is not just penalizing, but crushing, owners for bidding on / trading for super value prospects. It's not that you can't circumvent the system in many cases, but take Trout for example. There was literally nothing EP could do there
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A system that increases those players' salaries, rather than just knocking them back into the pool, seems preferable to me. The fact that it's called "arbitration" in the Ottoneu rules supports that. It doesn't resemble arbitration in any way right now.
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I don't know that I'd call it "broken," nor think I'd likely vote for a change just within our league, but I do think the fact that it sets owners up for rooting against their own players means there must be a better way.
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I just don't see anything broken with it and I certainly don't see why we'd change up when everyone has been operating on this as an assupmtion since the beginning of the league.
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I don't necessarily disagree with the purpose; I disagree with the method. I think there are better ways to do it.
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I personally do not have a problem with it. The point is to limit the number of insane values a team can have, which is a valid objective. The fact that Moore's salary jumped from 1 to 39 after vote-off tells me it's a legit policy.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 2, 2012 8:42 PM
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The only way to change it, as I think we discussed a while back, is to enforce a gentlemen's agreement that players below X service time are off-limits for vote-off.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 2, 2012 8:41 PM
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That means we have to a) play within the existing set of rules, or b) change the rul
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The vote off is a core rule of Ottoneu; I don't see Niv changing the system in the off season, though I could be wrong
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I don't know why the vote off thing shouldn't apply to all player equally, it's fine if people want to vote off young guys or old guys or anything in between
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I agree as well. Probably a good September discussion...
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I agree - vote off rule is cool, but shouldn't apply to guys that aren't arbitration eligible.
Caimans 🐊 on
September 2, 2012 3:30 PM
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i understand but hate the vote off rule too
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I think that statement illustrates *perfectly* why I don't like the vote-off rule. Just seems wrong to potentially root against your own prospect.
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The Profar era begins. Greg just hopes it doesn't go so well that we are forced to vote him off his team...
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Jurickson
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I am pulling for Darin Ruf...
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* Can't leave 58 point starts on my bench.
Caimans 🐊 on
September 1, 2012 11:34 PM
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Can't leave 58 point started
Caimans 🐊 on
September 1, 2012 11:34 PM
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We should make an Ottoneu wish list and email it to him this off season...
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Niv did say he would visit allowing leagues to decide between 24 and 48 hours this off-season
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i absolutely love this league. At one point yesterday, I had negotiations going with 5 different teams, lol. All I ended up with was Lucas Doodoo, but it was fun! Thanks for the activity guys....
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will niv budge on the wait period after a trade?
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September also marks the time where it's probably appropriate to discuss any potential rule changes for next season. The floor is open...
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Disappointed Gyorko won't be getting the call. Lesson learned though as I tried hard yesterday to deal a MI thinking he'd be up to replace one...
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My stripped-down roster is a pesky bunch of scrappers.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 1, 2012 7:41 AM
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and the clock strikes 12... or is it 0? Long weekend time!
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Man, I hope Taijuan turns out ok. I think I've rejected literally 100 offers for him this season.
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Deadline dealin'
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10 minutes left, anyone else want to swap yawn-y players to push Trey's over/under?
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He should be number 00 to go along with it. Who has even worn 00 recently?
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Gotta say, that's one of my favorite baseball names of recent memory. Jurickson Profar. Just fantastic all around.
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Profar up
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For a league that has made nearly twice as many trades as any other, a little surprised nothing happened today. Maybe there will be a frenzy countdown at 11:55...
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maybe I shoulda sold off a month ago
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 10:48 PM
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War Horse sold off and still might finish in 2nd
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 10:47 PM
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0 is about what I expected - me and Strikes weren't going to get enough to make it worth selling today
Caimans 🐊 on
August 31, 2012 10:47 PM
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That said, I'll be around until midnight if anyone wants to sneak something in. King's ransom for Kershaw, though. I'd even characterize myself as unreasonable there.
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So... zero is the number, eh? Not super surprised. There isn't a whole lot of incentive on either side, absent a several-team close race.
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By the way, we start the "Points Playoff" tomorrow. I'll capture the standings as of 10:00 AM tomorrow and whoever scores the most points between tomorrow and season's end wins $50.
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