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Based on the first poll it's safe to assume two owners prefer the current vote off to the proposed new arb system, regardless of when it would be implemented, correct?
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Hey Branham, what would you pay for this beaut? https://twitter.com/BigLeagueCards/status/248477741115142144/photo/1
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 2:13 PM
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http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KMKHTHZ (sending by email as well)
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Should we setup the other poll now and set a deadline of the last day of the Ottoneu season?
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Thanks for setting up the poll Nate. I just voted; I think I was the last
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I vote for 3:35 eastern.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 1:11 PM
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so the switch has already passed the vote (unsurprisingly), though 3 people haven't voted, can we set up the timing vote now?
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Sorry, method to enable that option wasn't obvious. You should see the count now if you go back to the link.
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where we currently at regarding results - don't like that the survey doesn't show that
Caimans 🐊 on
September 19, 2012 12:45 PM
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http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/forget_all_that_other_bullsht_just_use_k_and_bb_to_forecast_rest_of_season_/
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good call, didn't think of that one.
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75% of the states have to ratify amendments, so 2/3rd is more common but 75% does show up occasionally
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(FYI, it does not by default correlate team name w/response, I see those tallies separately)
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Joes, Strikes, MoPain, Chiefs left
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8/12 have voted so far.
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Are you getting a good number of responses on the survey?
The Syndicate 💣 on
September 19, 2012 10:56 AM
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Well, there are plenty of examples of a supermajority required in democracy, especially when altering a constitution, though I'm not sure I can think of an instance of 75% required.
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7. democracy.
The Syndicate 💣 on
September 19, 2012 10:14 AM
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I think a simply majority should suffice in 7, but have no problem putting it at 8.
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First we need to debate the number of votes needed to change the number of votes needed to make a change.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 9:23 AM
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Although I suppose that is a rather circular poll, haha
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To what extent are we debating setting the number of votes required to make a change? Should I set something up for that as well?
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Arbitration system vote: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZYD7R6B (also sent via email)
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Bundy getting the call...
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The important thing here is that I am now 100% assured to keep Ian Desmond, your 2013 #1 ranked SS.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:55 AM
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Still unclear when the vote off begins. Last year's date was Sept. 29th. My guess is it's closer to October 4th
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I do agree that a super-majority would be wise. You don't want to implement something that 5 of the 12 owners are against. Maybe 8 instead of 9 though.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:53 AM
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And for the record I am HIGHLY skeptical that any one team will be any more "screwed" than any other if the change goes into effect this month.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:52 AM
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We will vote yea or nay, then we will vote Oct. 2012 or Oct. 2013 implementation if necessary. None of which will be Trey's fault, or my fault, or Niv's fault. It'll be a league-wide vote.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:51 AM
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This thread has been ridiculous not to mention obnoxious.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:50 AM
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I'm going to go ahead and lobby for this proposed rule change NOT to tear a good league apart at its seams.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:50 AM
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Who the vote-off is in 10 days? Yikes. I thought it was like late October.
Eckfords ⚾ on
September 19, 2012 7:49 AM
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Sorry I had court today so I missed this whole interwebs thing. I guess I could just go read up on the discussion but why is there such fierce debate on the timing?
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Nate, can you setup a poll to ask whether each owner accepts the new arbitration process only for our league? We can do a separate poll on the timing later.
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Fair enough. Makes sense. So we need two polls? Not sure if it's changed or not but the league Calendar says arb voting begins 9/29 and ends 10/31, so depending on how they do it we only have about ten days before the change comes?
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And I agree with him - we have plenty of time here. Let's first vote whether or not to make the change at all, then, when that passes, we'll vote for this offseason or next.
Caimans 🐊 on
September 18, 2012 11:02 PM
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Strikes, you are either missing the point or ignoring it - all Enrico is asking for is the chance to vote for no change whatsoever, even if it is likely that option will lose.
Caimans 🐊 on
September 18, 2012 11:01 PM
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I recommend we keep the discussion flowing until we know more details about the new rule (timeline, etc.), and then we can setup both the date and wording of the vote e need before arbitration takes place
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I made the recommendation to keep the vote simple (two options) because it seemed everyone was in favor of making the change; it was the timing that was the critical decision
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Everything posted today up until the day of the vote is just discussion, which is strong on both sides. That's good for the league. This is (should) a weeks long discussion item. There will be plenty of feedback before the vote.
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I'll go back to something I said earlier today: I'm just one vote, even as commish. No doubt I'll lobby for something I like, but why is the vote now already decided? I think it could go either way. That's why it's needed.
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haha...FMW is also intrigued with this thing you call the interwebs....tell him more :). just kidding and welcome
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I missed the debate because I was busy all day. I want to go with the new arb rules. It sounds interesting.
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so anyway, once we get survey monkey up we can put up the first of my rule change proposals and others people have
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because you can squelch honest discussion on the subject
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that we are all grateful, but also there might be ways in which you might be able to tread slightly more lightly on issues where you have an opinion (and are entitled to one as an owner)
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anyway it doesn't matter, you get what you want, new arbitration rules effective immediately, its over. It may have passed anyway. It certainly passes now. I think that as the Commissioner, you do a lot of things that make this league better and for
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do I need to post the 10 different places where Niv, Eno, Geoff Young and others said exactly what I just typed
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I can't keep doing this. You're completely dismissing the option that the creators of Otto left in place SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY SAID ITS REASONABLE FOR LEAGUES NOT TO CHANGE
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"Any league rules in existence on the auction date are unchangeable until the following year's auction date." - this makes sense to me except in cases where the creators of the format make a fundamental change to better the product.
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