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If you extrapolate all OF to 162 games played, Nolan Reimold (16) and Darin Ruf (12), are both 1,000 point players...(it's a stretch)
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Funny, among all OF's, Nelson Cruz ranked exactly 61st in points/game at 4.937. However, if you use a 100 game min, he ranks 51st (I think Shoeless can feel good about dropping him)
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This last tier (51-60) came at an average cost of just $5, averaging 638 points. Crisp, Ichiro, and DeJesus headlined this group; Markakis and Jennings busted it. This is close to replacement territory.
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10) A top 60 OF in 2012 came at an average cost of $14, scoring an average of 809 points for your team.
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This tier (41-50) was real value, including Aoki (747 points/$), Murphy (743/$), Ludwick (697/$), Brantley (341/$), and Ross (339/$)
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10) The top 50 OF's came at an average cost of $16 (up), thrown off by Matt Kemp's $37; they averaged 712 points.
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9) This tier (31-40) came at an average cost of $12, scoring an average of 772 points as a group. Chris Davis was a beast at 759 pionts/$ (just $1)
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8) The top 40 OF's came at an average cost of $19; they averaged 877 points.
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This 3rd tier would have cost just $8 had Harper and his $37 contact fallen here. The next largest contract in this tier was Cespedes at $18
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7) The 3rd tier (21-30) averaged 823 points at an average cost of $11. This was the sweet spot, bookended by A Jackson (886) & Cespedes (795)
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6) The average price of the top 30 OF's was $21. These 30 averaged 912 points.
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5) The 2nd tier (11-20) averaged 883 points for an average cost of $29. Prado was the star (876 points for $7)
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4) The average price of the top 20 OF's was $26 (yes, it went up). They averaged 957 points.
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3) The top 10 OF's averaged 1,030 points at an average price of $23. Rios was the star in this top tier at 310 points/$ (930 points for just $3)
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2) Of the top 60 OF, 15 are currently unowned.
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1) The top 60 OF from '12 averaged 810 points at an average price of $14/OF and 5.64 points/G
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Enjoy some very interesting stats about Outfielders in our league from last year:
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i have a couple more I expect
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Anymore cuts other than Lackey coming?
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too risky and never scored 800pts in a season. I know his pt/pa was pretty good but too many risks and money that could be used elsewhere.
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I am all for the cutting of power hitting OF.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 5:32 PM
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Wow. I guess Cruz really could've been had cheap.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 5:31 PM
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Done
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that does not surprise me. Given his platform (MLB) he can afford to be lazy; if Baseball America did that the market would wipe them out
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I listened to a podcast or something a few weeks ago that said J. Mayo, the prospect "guru" for MLB.com, was the worst of the bunch, and that he frequently "mailed it in" at ballgames and in scouting reports. Said he was a joke.
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average starters are great in MLB. However it is unsurprising that those that project (if they work out) to maybe become average starts don't wind up high on top prospects lists
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Let's start pegging Cingrani as a reliever once he stops being a dominant starter. Again, what more do you want the guy to do.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:55 PM
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Average starters, in MLB, are pretty valuable. Maybe not in Ottoneu, but a little different in the Show
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Gregorius at 63 seems surprising to me. Haven't seen him on another list period. I also think Starling, Odorizzi, and Hamilton tend to get overrated
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but hey I like Eaton this year
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the really interesting players are probably in their 2nd year in the majors then
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lol. Well players that reach AAA at 23 aren't really much prospect-wise -- there are clearly exceptions but that fact alone would indicate average starter ceiling
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I think Hultzen will be fine. Cingrani is still pegged a reliever by most with two main pitches. The back half of that MLB.com top 100 gets pretty ugly compared to everything else I've seen this yr, and, with the nature of my roster, I've read it all
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And I'm not saying Adam Eaton is a top-10 prospect, but look at his numbers last year and tell me how that doesn't vault him into the top 90 prospects.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:46 PM
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and obviously Hultzen's selling point was supposed to be lower ceiling, but coming out of college basically ML ready. Except that apparently he lost all command upon moving up to higher MiLB levels
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They just seem not to be making a lot of post-draft adjustments in light of MiLB performance. Which is sort of why you revise rankings in the first place.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:27 PM
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I agree that the Hultzen ranking is baffling.
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Stephen Strasburg and David Price didn't suck when they were "working on secondary pitches" in the minors. They just dominated.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:19 PM
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Hultzen at 18, Cingrani at 66. One dominated his age-appropriate level, one sucked. The one who sucked has a 50-place edge, really?
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:18 PM
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Right, high skills guys who struggle tend to get a break, especially pitchers. But I'm trying to understand
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:17 PM
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How many levels does Cingrani need to slice and dice before he gets some recognition.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:16 PM
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agreed -- though by definition, the top prospects are the guys that tend to be young vs level so get the highest "discount" re performance
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I fully understand the ranking of various tools to get a composite player ranking, but at some point you need to acknowledge MiLB performance, unless player is way too old for his level.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:14 PM
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well I definitely trust BA a heck of a lot more that's for sure, and definitely agree that as between all the prospect lists, I trust MLB the least
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Part of it is "I'd like to see my guys ranked higher," admittedly, but I don't own Dahl or Story and those rankings are jokes.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:05 PM
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He was at time of draft, but once people got a chance to see Dahl play, the gap between those two skill sets was widely agree to be much smaller than people thought on draft day.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:04 PM
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I balked at the Story ranking too. I'll be shocked if he's that far down other lists. Sickels is the only other scout I've read so far this preseason and he's pretty high on him.
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But every MLB.com prospect list has way more head-scratchers than the other lists you mentioned.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:04 PM
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re Dahl and Buxton, its not just the MLB rankings, Buxton was the pretty much consensus top talent in the draft according to everyone last year
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Anyway, the lists are meant to be dissected and argued about. It's fun.
Eckfords ⚾ on
January 30, 2013 2:03 PM
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