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Meanwhile, Trey is trying to, a) collect the entire BA top 100, while b) clearing cap space to bid the moon on superstars at the draft.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 2:59 PM
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I don't find the trade lopsided either way at all, I just think Trey's trio of pitchers could be a whole lot more valuable in 2015. Nate's side will almost certainly be more valuable 2013-14.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 2:58 PM
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I think Latos is priced exactly right in this league.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 2:54 PM
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Latos kept in all of the top 10 FGPTS leagues (by my power rankings) at: $14, 33, 18, 20, 17, 30, 21, 20, 23, and 21 in our league (as a member of the top 10): avg. $21.7. Not intended to be ammo on "my side" but interesting.
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I'll count my 950 points for Marco Estrada but I won't get carried away and count 1,000.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 1:57 PM
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I'll count them for you, if you would like, Enrico!
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that's not bagging on Latos, just a general statement about spending on pitching. In no way am I counting my 1100 points frmo Strasburg until I see them
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if the argument is that you can spend $21 on Latos and not be terrified that he is going to drop to replacement, I would strongly disagree ... I would expect 12 months ago people said that about Lincecum
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I don't think the same can be said for position players.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:53 PM
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There are terrific pitchers with poor point totals and crap-tastic pitchers with high point totals.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:53 PM
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For example, you could hate on Max Scherer because his high pitch counts will never allow him to be a 1,300-point pitcher. Or you could just take his massive P/IP to the bank and make up the diff elsewhere.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:52 PM
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The thresshold in itself isn't such a big deal. But Miley's P/IP was available on waivers, so was Medlen's, so was Kuroda's, etc., etc. Those remaining 60+ IP are not hard to fill with guys riding hot streaks in my view.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:50 PM
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Correct, 5.9 was kind of pie in the sky exaggeration. Not at all arguing that Latos doesn't have value, just saying that a crappier pitcher than Latos could score 900-1000 points if the health/hr%/BABIP stars all aligned right.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:49 PM
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He was good but we were terrified that the moment we'd trade for him he'd drop to replacement level. There's serious value in the solid, high skills guys who go 200 IP and a steady above replacement pace (Latos)
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Miley is a perfect example: He averaged 4.8 pts/IP and was a great pickup. But how many teams offered to trade for him? My guess is not many. He looks good now in retro but how many of us expected the bottom to drop out at any moment last season?
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Maybe, but then you have to fill those remaining 60+ IP with replacement level pitching, which may bring your average down. But let's be honest, finding 5.9 Pts/IP isn't easy, even for 140 IP.
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Raw season totals mean more for hitters than pitchers, since pitchers are so much more easily added and streamed during the season.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:29 PM
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I'd rather have 140 IP at 5.9 than 220 IP of 4.3.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:27 PM
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The 1,000 points is sort of a red herring though. It's like the 1,000-yard rusher. A 900-1000-point season has as much to do with health and opportunity as it does with talent, as the Wade Mileys and Kyle Lohses of the world can attest.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 12:26 PM
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I actually feel like I didn't sell him for max value when you look at all the details, but I really wanted some cap space too, so that was a big factor.
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Latos was well above my replacement calculation, is only 25, showed steady 2nd half improvement last year, and is usually regarded with near elite skills from scouts. I'd say he has a serious opportunity to score 1,000 pts; not many of those SP's
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Fair enough - I absolutely grant that he's not a slam dunk. I'm just about out of prospects...anyone interested in Cosart?
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I actually wasn't trying to cherry pick, those were just the guys listed right behind him in the sortable stats. You will definitely be happy if he scores 1000 pts over 200 IP
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But if he's capable of 200 IP / 1,000 points, that's worth even more. Not super high on Bailey, but he's cheap and could break out yet. GABP is a concern in this format, though, for sure.
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...and Weaver & Gallardo cost more and scored less. Cherry-picking the comps like that is easy for just about any player that isn't an obvious great value. If we just saw his ceiling, might be fringy at $21.
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Although collecting Reds pitchers may be a losing strategy, since their ballpark is so dumb.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 9:34 AM
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Clear difference between 2013 and 2014 help. Nate gets the 2013 help, Trey gets the 2014 help. Luebke will be fairly useless this year I'm guessing.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 8, 2013 9:33 AM
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Latos had 940 pts at $21; Kuroda, AJ Burnett and Wade Miley all had between 930 and 940 for $18 total for the 3 guys
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I'm with Enrico
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If Luebke comes back strong for 2014 I think I'll be ok in this trade. Really hinges on Peralta for me, but also glad to pick up a little extra cap space before the draft. Latos seems criminally underrated to me.
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Wow, I had the other reaction, both of them had near negative contract value for me
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I would have thought Latos and Bailey could have gotten more...
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Trade Confirmed: Latos/Bailey to Crying for Luebke/Peralta/Biddle to Lucky
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TRADE time: Crying sends C. Luebke, W. Peralta, and J. Biddle to Strikes for M. Latos and H. Bailey.
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Has everyone seen http://www.baseballcardvandals.com/ ? Hilarious.
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Wow. Impressive.
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I suppose 2012 was a leap year, so 366 calendar days. Still....
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215 deals in 365 calendar days... minus 76 days where trading was completely not allowed (8/31 - 11/15). That's about 0.75 trades PER DAY.
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https://twitter.com/sevenoverzero/status/299531898588385280
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Putting together an updated trade matrix for 1/31/2012 - 1/31/2013... including commish msg board trades from last year between 1/31 and 3/21.
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I focused on all offense since I had Strasburg, Wainwright, JJ, Harvey, Anibal, and Shelby going into the auction. Pretty happy with my rotation.
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I punted Saves, but picked up cheap bullpen arms with opportunity and good ratios.
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Fielder/Pujols should have run you about $100, and you got them for $76.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:49 AM
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Or did you say you were punting saves in that league?
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:49 AM
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Wait, you don't have any closers.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:48 AM
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Oh and Guerrieri.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:46 AM
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Although I did have to overpay to get Dahl and Rosenthal, my only two prospects...
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:46 AM
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That league also takes a much different approach to prospects, so I think a lot of us were content to let prospects go by. Not a lot of intense bidding.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:44 AM
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Well to be fair, I think you did more damage than some other teams because you went into the auction with way less MLB talent than other teams.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 7, 2013 7:42 AM
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I also have Bogaerts, Wong, Schoop, Goodwin, Gyorko, Ryu for a combined $9
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