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You could throw around some impressive war figures for Hanley too, and guess what, nobody wants him.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:36 PM
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Upton is talented, fine. He also underperforms his talent. And will ask the moon for a salary he won't earn.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:36 PM
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WAR, your initial comment of getting rid of a 2.5 win player for a 6 win player doesn't make sense. They didn't do that. What I referred to as the trade that sent away Bauer and they got Didi in return...not a good trade.
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Guys ahead of him: Hamilton, Braun, McCutcheon, Bautista, Kemp, Holliday, Zobrist (if you count him as OF) and Michael Bourn.
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Diamondback trades are bad fantasy trades, not in real world where salary and clubhouse considerations actually matter.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:34 PM
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Justin UPton is 9th in OF WAR over the past 4 seasons.
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Upton is superstar salary and superstar attitude with dayan viciedo production.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:29 PM
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Yeah but he's not as gritty as Cliff Pennington
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Interestingly, Chris Young's WAR over the past 3 seasons is the same as Prado (12)
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also, the idea that either Kubel or Ross are everyday OF is absurd. Kubel can't move and Ross can't hit RHP
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And the closest he ever got to 6 WAR in a season was last year when he got an insane (and likely randomly good) Fld component to his WAR
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Martin Prado has produced 12 WAR over his last 3 seasons. He is not a 6 WAR player.
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Because they traded a 6 win 25 year old player for a 6 win 30 year old player, both going in opposite directions in terms of upside.
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Just not understanding how dealing upton for a 6-win player is a loss.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:04 PM
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I'd take Prado / Eaton over Upton / Johnson every single time.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:03 PM
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By the divisions standards it's a bad rotation. But you can't say that Upton and young are big losses. They both sucked.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 4:02 PM
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I'm with Durham; losing Upton is a big subtraction, and I think their rotation is solid but a bit overrated. They are decent, but won't make the playoffs. Maybe .500, at best.
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And the rotation strikes me as bad too. Ian Kenendy is just not that good, McCarthy always gets hurt, the guys competing for the fifth spot have barely pitched in the majors.
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Maybe I'm being too harsh but a Kubel/Ross/Eaton OF is somewhere between bad and average, at least until Eaton proves something. It's certainly worse than Upton/Young/Kubel.
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But the purported value of Upton is sort of undercut by the fact that they shopped him for 8 or 9 months with no takers.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:34 PM
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I think Gregorius was a bizarre choice for a SS target, I'll admit.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:33 PM
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If you think they hurt themselves in the offseason you must be really underrating Prado, he is a terrific player.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:31 PM
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Their rotation includes Wade Miley as a 3, McCarthy as a 4, Skaggs as their 5 (!). Plus prospects and Dan Hudson on the way.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:31 PM
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Their OF is solid if unspectacular. Their 4th OF Parra could be a starting OF for maybe 12-15 MLB teams.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:30 PM
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Their IF includes Goldschmidt, Prado, Montero. and Hill, all cost-controlled.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:30 PM
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They got worse? How?
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:29 PM
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They were .500 last year and got worse in the offseason.
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Couldn't disagree more. That team looks really mediocre to me.
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I don't see how you can argue that that's not one of the best-built roster in MLB, especially when you consider cost/control of their top-20 players.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:21 PM
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I see very few problems with that Arizona roster. Or their farm system for that matter.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:20 PM
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He's like the OF version of Hanley Ramirez. The most talented player that nobody wants.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:19 PM
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Combine lackluster on-field performance with questionable attitude with likely salary demands over next 8-10 years.....easy decision to dump him.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:19 PM
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And he was a 2.5-win player last year in a huge hitter's park. Less than impressive.
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 3:18 PM
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Upton had a 5 win year as a 22 year old and 6.5 win year as a 24 year old.
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Huh? Are you suggesting Didi is a 6 win player? Or Tony Sipp?
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Yeah those D-Backs really got hosed when they traded a 2.5 win player for a 6-win player. I mean a 6-win player and prospects.
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February 12, 2013 2:59 PM
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Oh man, they didn't complete a physical on Didi before acquiring him! Holy cow, DBacks! What's going on with you people?!?!?!
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Didi Gregorius has right elbow injury: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/sports/sports_blogs_national/d-backs-spring-training-didi-gregorius-of-arizona-diamondbacks-has-right-elbow-injury#ixzz2KiHY1xtS
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Question of the day: what one format/game change would you make to Ottoneu to improve our league?
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In prospect news, BP has Hellickson ranked above Matt Moore in overall under-25 players. Sorry, BP, but I just don't see it...
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Its not just Gibson though, even if you think Bauer and Upton suck, trashing them publicly before trading them is not something a smart organization would do
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Agree. I think ARI has given way too much influence/decision making to Gibson. Upton trade made little sense.
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I'd like see them win some games before I can give them credit for an offseason where they seemed to be on the short end of several trades.
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They deserve credit for downgrading their overall talent level in the name of scrapiness?
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I don't think it's a youth issue, they're just deciding to prioritize character and work ethic, to their credit.
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February 12, 2013 12:12 PM
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Bauer might be an idiot but I think at this point I'm more skeptical of arizonas ability to deal with young players
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If I ever trade Medlen, pretty sure I'm heading to Branham as the high bidder....
Eckfords ⚾ on
February 12, 2013 9:41 AM
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If by "dropped" you actually mean "traded" for Kris Medlen, I'm game...
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Therefore it logically follows that Dylan Bundy and Taijuan Walker should be dropped.
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February 12, 2013 8:28 AM
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Bauer could still be really good, but right now he's a case study in how quickly an "elite" prospect can fall to schmo status.
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February 12, 2013 8:27 AM
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