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The flip side is that I think Trey is saying that he believes the marginal value of RP is fairly high.
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Siding with EP more here. If spending $10 less on RP means sacrificing 1000 points, but he can spend e $10 elsewhere, say OF, and it generates an additional 1500 points, then that would be a wise (re)investment.
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that's getting into semantics and I don't think anyone here was thinking EP or Trey were going to go for 5000 bullpen points no matter the marginal cost
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Maximize my bullpen would imply that there aren't other constraints that apply to my roster, but if i should have been clearer, I am trying to maximize my bullpen points subject to the myriad of other decisions being made concurrently
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I was specifically referring to your statement that read, "Again I am not going into 2014 trying to maximize the point total of my bullpen"....why not? seems like you are overlooking it with that
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Who said ignore? I just said it have no idea whose bullpen will be better or worse than me; for total teams I have definite opinions
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I agree that total points wins it, but to overlook RPs and not try to maximize that spot is dangerous
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I disagree, they should be trying to maximize their point total, period. If Lucky wants to bet which of our teams score more points, happy to. But just the bullpen? I have no idea whether that will score more or less than his...and doesn't matter...
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that's a curious statement from EP....anyone trying to win a championship this season should be trying to maximize all positional point totals
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Frosted Mini Weeks's trade block has been updated!
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Again I am not going into 2014 trying to maximize the point total of my bullpen so not sure why that would matter. I guess no on betting you can identify elite RPs though
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If your bullpen scores more total points than my own by season's end, you can have my entire winnings, if any.
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I'm arguing I can rightly identify (and use) 5 RP that score more points than the 5 you use by season's end. Same reasoning, same deal. Nate can track bullpen contribution in 2014, too.
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I'm offering the same bet you are, but with more confidence (higher stakes): You're saying there's so much volatility in RP that it's impossible to identify the top 10 from year to year.
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I don't hear a lot of confidence though behind your ability to identify elite RP. What if I change elite to mean everyone over, what, 600?
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But if you want to offer me winnings if your bullpen flames out great.
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Ok will taken it I guess; don't know how to track and honestly don't care if my bullpen scores more than you
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I will bet you my entire winnings (if any) if my bullpen scores fewer points than yours in 2014, even if injuries occur. No other strings attached. Mark it down.
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Sigh. I can't do this discussion every year. But honestly, no bet? Seems like easy money given your confidence in identifying Quality RP
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If bullpen quality really doesn't matter, my question would be: How does a rotation of Strasburg, Darvish, Corbin, Hamels score 4.75 P/IP vs. the 5.10 P/G crapshoot I rolled with in last place last season? It's because I at least had RP.
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So no on the bet then? The argument isn't truly volatility (though that's a big part) it's replacement
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That "likeliness" to repeat past production comes at a cost, which is the reason some players are priced higher than others. Melancon, in particular, was valuable to me b/c he didn't come at that high cost.
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You aren't paying for rankings, you're paying for skills. There's a reason that Kershaw, Kimbrel, and Trout are at the top of the salary structure. Seems mor likely Craig Kimbrel is going maintain a 13 K/9 than Josh Zeid all of a sudden finds the same.
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The "volatility" argument is weak, at best, because it can equally be applied to all players, even position players. Only 2 of the top 10 SP from '12 repeated in '13; only 4 of the top 10 OF
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That you can get 5
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I think I made this offer last year without takers, but will again, project the top 10 RP, I will pay you whatever you want for each one you get, you pay me that amount for each one you get wrong. If you are paying for elite closers I assume you think
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I think the question is: Do you think it's more likely that T. Ross is a top 20 SP, or Melancon is a top 10 RP in 2014? Here's why I think it makes sense to pay for elite RP: http://bit.ly/1a4M0xp
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Dodgers = Trolley Dodgers (Brooklyn)
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So Ross has regression risk but Melancon is a lock to repeat his otherworldly numbers?
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I saw the same risks for Ross. What if his BB rate goes north of 4 and his k rate comes down? His season high IP is about 130. 100 replacement level IP from B. Colon + 65 from Melancon is a 1,000 pitcher for about $5
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Something about leaving NY?
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Even more difficult than finding 9+ P/IP for $3 is repeating BB/9 of 1.01 and HR/9 of 0.13.
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Does everyone know where Dodgers comes from? I love that bit of trivia but may be for less intense baseball fans than this group
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I'd make that trade 10 out of 10 times. A healthy Pagan will out score Dickerson and one of my off season goals was to build an elite bullpen to offset a very young rotation. Tough to find 9+ P/IP for $3.
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So Lucky just traded Tyson Ross and Corey Dickerson for Mark Melancon and Angel Pagan? Yikes.
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Wiki still amazes me at times. The rally monkey is listed as an unofficial mascot.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_mascots
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Meet Baxter the Bobcat. Also have the D-Backs Luchador, who is a masked wrestler. Bizarre.
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http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/diamondbacks-mascot-baxter-jon-berghoff.jpg
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For some reason, Lou Seal just jumped up higher on my list of likeable mascots. No idea why.
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Please tell me the D-backs don't have a giant snake. I can't recall their mascot.
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And we have the three. Yankees, Angels, and Dodgers. Best bit of information in today's WSJ.
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The Nats have Screech. Not from Saved by the Bell, but an eagle. Some also consider the Racing Presidents mascots.
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Don't think I've ever seen a dodgers one
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The Mariner Moose (couldn't find a name) broke his ankle in 1995. He was also Ken Griffey Jr's presidential running mate in a 1996 TV ad.
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Giants have Lou seal. NYY don't have one
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Ooooh the Yankees dont have a mascot......
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Nats seems right....angels? Or does the rally monkey count, lol.
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I saw the answer and thought it was interesting....however I wish it was still four teams as that mascot is terrible
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