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Actively looking to trade Alvarez, send me an offer if interested. Also I think maybe everyone should take a step back and exhale on this Cole trade, this isn’t a big money league and we’re supposed to be getting excited for baseball! Good luck this year everyone
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“Old sport”, “sour grapes”, really Des Moines? The light of day must be burning you.
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Puig, thank you for ignoring the preceding trades for aces. Thems some sour grapes, old sport.
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Des Moines, it’s hardly surprising to read you argue it was a reasonably balanced trade. You know I strongly disagree, which is why I vetoed the trade. Whether it was collusion, or just a seasoned manager taking advantage of a neophyte, is impossible to discern. Sons of Pitches, thank you for reminding us of Des Moines’ previous willingness to grant Polar Bear extra draft privileges that violated our league’s constitution. It is relevant history. Be on guard, all.
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$3 loan for Adalberto Mondesi at $3, Jackie Bradley at $4, and Trevor May at $4. Seems like the Cole trade was pretty well in line with what others aces have gone for in this league in the past, especially if you value top prospects highly.
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For frame of reference: in March 2020, Max Scherzer at $60 for Vidal Brujan at $2 and Luis Patino at $2. In July 2017, Chris Sale at $48 and $7 loan for $23 Kyle Seager, $13 Adam Eaton, and $5 pre-breakout $5 Austin Meadows. In Dec. 2017, Sale at $51 and Jake Bauers at $4, for Domingo Santana at $14 and Jimmy Nelson at $8. In Jan. 2018, Sale at $58 for pre-breakout Cody Bellinger at $31, Tommy Pham at $7, Collin McHugh at $7 and pre-breakout Hyun-Jin Ryu at $8. In March 2019, Justin Verlander a
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Puig's driver: please do not tell me to chill out. I am not offended. I am legit asking what people think would be a fair trade. And I think my tone has been level and fair. Again, this is my first year in Ottoneu, I think it is fair to ask for opinions on the trade, particularly when several owners have said I was rolled in the trade. I get that trading a top-3 pitcher carries weight...I am not throwing a fit, but I do think I deserve some explanation for the strong opinions expressed her.
Kemper Fi on
July 12, 2020 6:33 PM
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For me, I think there is a non-zero chance the season is cancelled. And I probably do not keep Cole at $51 (plus whatever other teams add to his contract this offseason). My team has lots of holes on offense. Schwarber is a potential top-20 OF, not a huge impact but, but a solid second or third OFer, and his contract is manageable. Nimmo I peg for 5.5 P/G, or better, another solid third OF option. Valuing prospects is tough this year, but both are potential impact bats.
Kemper Fi on
July 12, 2020 6:29 PM
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Polar Bear, this isn’t an attack on your skills as a manager, nor is it an accusation of collusion, so chill out. I’ve already stated what standard I apply. We will all see the merits of the trade through our respective lenses
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What would have been fair value for Gerrit Cole? Curious what the standard is here. As I said, this is my first year playing Ottoneu, if the trade is terribly unbalanced, I would like to know what a blaanced trade looks like. What should I have received? From my perspective, no one seemed particularly inclined to trade a top-10 offensive player for Cole, which was my target. So...where should I have been looking?
Kemper Fi on
July 12, 2020 6:20 PM
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Few of us can ever be certain when collusion happens, so my standard is to veto trades when they seem VERY unbalanced. This particular trade didn’t seem nearly balanced at all, so I vetoed it. If this results in shooting down the occasional legit arms length transaction, so be it. I’ve never heard a fat lady sing when collusion happens
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Agree with Puig. There is a system in place to deal with issues like this, and almost no one used it. I also think that typical strategy has been thrown for a loop this year and there is STILL a possibility of no season, which might make these trades look very different. Personally, I likely wouldn't have made those trades but they don't feel like collusion so I didn't veto.
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I totally agree with Sons of Pitches that Polar Bear did not receive enough value in return for Gerrit Cole. It's totally absurd. However, I am the only manager in our league that actually vetoed the trade, as 10 of the other 11 managers abstained. My feeling is that if you don't take the time to monitor the league and veto the trade, don't gripe. I hope this will inspire you all to become more active participants. Keep your eyes open so it won't happen again. Congrats on the steal, Des Moines
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I don't think anyone should jump immediately to suggestions that cheating or collusion is involved when trades are made that we don't like or understand. The first response would be to ask those involved to explain their thinking, and then if they don't explain to your satisfaction or choose not to explain, you can vote to veto the trade. Or possibly I am misreading Pitches' post and he was making a joke about Prohibs setting up Polar Bear to win so they can split the prize money.
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Pretty lame, Pitches. I've made probably 10+ trades since the end of last season, and didn't hear you howl when I moved Gallo, Bellinger and others. Nobody needs to run valuations or timelines past you. If you don't like it, veto it. If the trade is so absurd, you probably will not be the only veto. I haven't heard from you once this offseason about a potential trade and that is your business. I'm always willing to deal and most of the league is too. I'd even move Cole.
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I will say this: Cole was posted on July 7, and in three days I received almost no interest. Tried a couple offers that were either rejected with no follow up, or ignored. So, not certain what process I ignored here. I like the value I received. Maybe being new to Ottoneu means I was rolled. But, learning means taking your lumps. Besides, as I said, I like the value here for my team. And, again, I am willing to answer questions. The attack feels unnecessary.
Kemper Fi on
July 11, 2020 10:09 PM
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I assume that I am the one who did not get enough value...i am willing to answer questions about the trades.
Kemper Fi on
July 11, 2020 10:06 PM
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That’s a couple of questionable return in trades in the last few weeks between Des Moines and Polar Bear. Starting to question whether there’s a connection there. If your gonna trade a stud player, you need to wait the process to give enough time for offers to come in. As well as making these trades while no one is really paying much attention right now. I’m monitoring these two together in future trades. Surely no one would cheat or get any satisfaction from winning by cheating.
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That’s a couple of questionable return in trades in the last few weeks between Des Moines and Polar Bear. Starting to question whether there’s a connection there. If your gonna trade a stud player, you need to wait the process to give enough time for offers to come in. As well as making these trades while no one is really paying much attention right now. I’m monitoring these two together in future trades. Surely no one would cheat or get any satisfaction from winning by cheating.
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Gerrit Cole is available. Looking for offense.
Kemper Fi on
July 7, 2020 7:38 PM
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Hope everyone is doing well, looking forward to some baseball in a few weeks! Looking to make some trades, let me know if anyone on my trade block or my roster in general catches your eye
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Polar Bear - I know you’re not trying to pull a fast one here, so no worries. Gotta give our format’s founder lots of credit for foreseeing this possibility in our constitution
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No worries Commish, this is an odd situation. I’m glad to have you at our helm.
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Well, there you go!
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Apparently that is still controlled by Rule V, section g:
"The team that dropped the player may not nominate or bid on the player until 30 days after the drop date, unless the keeper deadline or the league's auction draft occurs in between the drop date and the player's new auction."
Kemper Fi on
March 29, 2020 4:51 PM
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The reason I had asked about Betances was because misunderstood the effect of Rule V, section i:
"If a team changes ownership, the new owner is given the opportunity to make one round of penalty-free cuts."
Kemper Fi on
March 29, 2020 4:50 PM
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Puig's Driver: This is the first time I claimed a team post-auction. In prior experience, the free cuts did not prevent me from nominating players during the auction, and I thought that this would also apply post-draft. But the rules do specifically mention this, which I had missed before.
Kemper Fi on
March 29, 2020 4:48 PM
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Given my uncertainty, I was going to err on the side of allowing polar bear to bid.
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It is not exactly clear the rule, at least not to me. Maybe the fact that polar bear cannot place a bid means the 30 day wait also applies to penalty free cuts. Is that the understanding of others?
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Being entitled to free cuts as a one time accommodation for new owners seems entirely reasonable. However, giving a new owner special re-auction privileges within 30 days just because the cuts were free is a bridge too far. Commish, I’m surprised you even considered this. What would be the argument for doing so - am I missing something?
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No dice. Thanks for trying, Commish!
Kemper Fi on
March 29, 2020 2:33 PM
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I'm not sure how to change this for Betances. I've set your team to penalty free cuts temporarily. Maybe this will work. Try to place your bid again and let me know how it goes.
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Betances was one of my free cuts after I took over the team, why am I not allowed to bid on him?
Kemper Fi on
March 29, 2020 1:29 PM
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Scherzer's age as well as his salary explains the deal to me. Scherzer turns 36 in July and with the increasing uncertainty over whether there will even be baseball in 2020, it's possible two very strong prospects were swapped for an expensive age 37 season of Scherzer (if he's retained for next year). Anyway, that's how I would explain my take on the deal to a newcomer to ottoneu.
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Agree with Des Moines. Scherzer is very expensive and could start declining any day. And while those prospects may not play this year (I think Brujan has a chance), they are good bets to at least gain value if they stay on an upward trajectory. I might not have pulled the trigger on it, but it doesn't feel like collusion or anything like that.
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Scherzers salary is what evens this deal out for me. Even at his best there probably isn't much surplus value from him at this salary. He will likely be dropped next season due to his salary. It depends too on how you value prospects, which varies quite a bit among owners. Seems like a fair enough deal, especially without a substantial loan involved.
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I am new to ottoneu, so I need some guidance: are prospects this valuable? Two guys who likely won't see the majors this year, and will cost $4 to keep next year. I get that Scherzer is maybe injured, but in other formats, this trade is difficult to understand. Do not want to throw bombs, not my intention, just want guidance.
Kemper Fi on
March 15, 2020 9:09 AM
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Welcome to the league polar bear: the sequel
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Welcome aboard Polar Bear II
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Hi all, just claimed Polar Bear Yard Crew. Looks like they missed the auction? Anyway, looking forward to the season.
Kemper Fi on
March 9, 2020 8:51 PM
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Yeah I think 2 sounds about right.
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1.5 to 2 hours max. Does that sound about right fellas?
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Roughly how long have these drafts taken in the past?
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haha just kidding....I will be there on the 23rd.
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Aww man, I can't do the 23rd
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Which makes the official tally, with 11 having voted: Five with preference for Feb. 23, Three with preference for March 22, and Three with no preference. So the final vote will not be able to change the majority. And March 22 would cut out Hamel, but all can make it Feb. 23 (thank you for your flexibility Nimmo). Mark your calendars - draft date Sunday, Feb. 23 at 2 pm Central Time. Thanks!
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My preference is for Feb. 23 but can do either
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I'm good either day as well
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Thanks for having me in the league! Would prefer February 23rd but can do March as well if that works better for everyone
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Welcome to the league Pete!
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