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Yeah I'm upset over how insulting hell is and attacks me on a personal level and how the commish ignored me the past few days and has separate rules for different owners. Musicals was unlocked before anyone voted which is another issue. This is a $100 league and the commish should not treat owners differently
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 10:37 PM
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I am sorry you felt singled out, but you were active in chat and I and others tried to get your attention that you were missing nominations. At that point, I thought it was totally fair to lock you out.
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So, either before or after he allowed Musi(c)al to join, pausing the draft would have been annoying for most of us but within reason. It wasn't owed to you, there wasn't two sides to the debate. You wouldn't have convinced anyone that we should not let Musi(c)al draft. But it would have given you the chance to vent about how unfair you thought it was, and I do think you would have realized it wasn't a big deal.
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But the commish failed here. Fact
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 10:29 PM
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Yes that's the point. I spent $100 to be in this league and no one could take 2 minutes to stop the draft and resolve. That's the point.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 10:28 PM
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We had a clear majority of all but 1 in favor of letting him join, even though he missed nominations. It seemed obvious to me (and I think others) that he was not gaining an advantage by not being present. As Hell's said, we all want this to be a fun and harmonious space. Yes, we can be competitive (well, my team won't be this year, but that's another story), and we can take rules seriously. As others have said, 50 Shades was clear that he would look at each case as it came. He did that...
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Ok, I will clear up what I said after the fact. I had to hit the "next 50 messages" button to do so: "I think if we could go back and do it over, we would have paused the draft and discussed it". I stand by that statement, but not because the outcome would have been different, but because a 2 minute convo would have been much easier than this process has turned out to be. However, commish didn't take any action unilaterally without consent of the league. We discussed Musi(c)a
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We can all read here, pal. I'm confident in how I come across. Good night, good season, good luck.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 10:07 PM
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Na after your attacked me that wasnt your intention. Dont worry about me. I m a person who was taught to stand for what is right. Too bad you find otherwise. Please keep your personal comments about me to yourself. They are not warranted and I didn't ask his you felt about me.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 10:02 PM
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Nah bro. Be well. And I said love and respect. If you find cheritable language insulting, I feel very sorry for you.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:56 PM
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You are condescending and insulting. With love and kisses? Thats rude. I dont need anyone to tell.me.i need to evaluate myself. Thats a personally attack.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:54 PM
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Oh, and I'll point you to the second last slide and I quote "yeah, of course everyone agreed. That was the easy way out." ~Houston Astros in reference to the vote to lock. Thank you.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:52 PM
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Ok, look at the DMs. You want to try to insinuate I've been anything but totally straight forward with you, I got the receipts: https://imgur.com/a/ol7zn1p
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:42 PM
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Insulting? Yeah you hells. Go look at the dms you sent me. They are inappropriate but you show a different side here.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:32 PM
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Okay, I'm done here. Have a nice season. I tried to explain how it went down. You don't want to listen. You just want to become insulting and try to make fun of me. Tootles.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:29 PM
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Not quitting fact. I state I wont trade and still send me bad offers. You don't listen.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:26 PM
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Then you're welcome to quit. Fact.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:24 PM
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Wrong sorry with love and hugs a kisses. Sorry you lost the argument. All I know is we have a league where owners are treated differently FACT
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:23 PM
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His note after the fact is separate from how the vote went down. Stop.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:21 PM
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Now you are reaching. I proved the point the vote wasnt unanimous but you change the subject. The absurd is you
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:19 PM
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Also, again, no revision of the chain of events please. Elefantes, said in the message you referenced, well after the fact, that yeah maybe I guess we could have paused the draft so you could understand what was up. Essentially. I'm not going to bother quotng it. If you're interested, scroll down and re read it, instead of recharacterizing what was said. Let alone what relevance does it have that elefantes supposed an hour later that gee wizz we might have had a chance to pause. We didn't.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:19 PM
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Take it to the supreme court. Listen, the rules are, in every facet of life, applied at the discretion of the arbiter, in this case, our commish. A cop can pull you over for doing 1 mile per hour over the speed limit. Do they usually? No, not really. Now, if you're doing 10 over, do you think you're at a lesser or greater risk or less risk of the police office using his authority to punish said driver?
This is entering the absurd.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:15 PM
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Not I didnt CE stated the draft should have been stopped. We have 2 sets of rules. I'm not taking. Lame hells.sorrry
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:08 PM
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This is the end. You can continue fuming all you want. I'm here to play. And truly, respectfully, I hope you can come to terms with how you played a key role in the consequences of your own actions. With love and respect. ~Mike
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:05 PM
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Please, I proved nothing. I said we all said musial was welcomed back
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 9:03 PM
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Yep proved my point hells. All the commish needs to do is state 2 different set of rules. If he never sent out the email we wouldnt be in this situation
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 9:02 PM
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Thank you for your time.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 8:58 PM
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No I'm proving my point. Musical was unblocked before a vote. I had to.ask the commish what was going on so the commish made to solve decisions to unblock him. Meanwhile my block was put to a vote. Fact mr hell. Get your facts straight? I thought you were done?
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 8:57 PM
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One more thing, because you seem to have shifted your argument drag another owner into it. You can't monday-morning-quarterback Elefantes monday- morning-quarterbacking the way the matter at hand played out. We took a straw draw at the time. No one objected. In my experience, auctions are not generally paused either. This was a group decision.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 8:52 PM
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I dont trust you hells. Your actions speak otherwise.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 8:49 PM
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No wrong and wrong
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 8:45 PM
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I am 100 per cent sorry this has happened to you. But own up to it. That's all I'm going to say on this matter. This is a closed case. Shades was justified and unanimously supported. Let's get on with it.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 8:43 PM
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Funny you consider talking and speaking respectfully about my judgement of the situation and our respective parts in it as an attack.
By the way, my trade offer was fair and an attempt to help you feel included. Because believe it or not, I care a great deal about the overall vibe of places I hang out. And this league is one of those places. And if you want to be a member of this group you have to hear us and understand how this happened.
But I would never publicly admonish you. Know that.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 8:41 PM
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Funny hells wants to trade with me but they attacks me.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 8:32 PM
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No hells when I believe in something I stand firm. Like I said different rules for different owners. I have asked the commish to realize this and in guess not.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 8:31 PM
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BTW has anyone seen the sheer volume of ottoneu leagues Musial Suspects is in? How in the world?! Seriously, look at the owner page for user oscartrauma. WOW.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 8:11 PM
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Is that really the case with Elefantes? Because I clearly recall those of us in the draft voting unanimously to lock you, Astros. And yes, we did approve of Musial being allowed into the draft when he arrived.
This is all very silly. Houston, I have PMed you back and forth since the draft asking you to please let this go and to recognize you brought this on yourself. Instead you double down and now drag this out into the league message board. It's gotta stop. Please try enjoy the game.
Crone Zone on
March 13, 2019 8:06 PM
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I was typing a message kenny and miss a pick so you are incorrect.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 6:38 PM
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CE 3/10 9:11 PM stated the draft should have been stopped
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 6:37 PM
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Bottom Line: if you are going to be a stickler for rules, actually read them as written. Fiddy Shades clearly said discretion would be involved and I think he performed that duty admirably - you had more to gain, clearly were doing it in protest and Musial did give us a warning and explanation. So you aren't even technically right. And at the end of the day, you are still going to get your 12 $1 players, so move on. Name the team owner who backed you up, by the way - because I missed that.
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You were unlocked without a vote while I was not
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 6:28 PM
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Well sorry about your wife and do wish her better but at that time we have no idea if you we’re telling the truth. You got a fair shake but the commish never asked me why I wasn’t nominating. I didn’t get the same treatment. If the commish would realize this we could move on. That all is ask. I want to get along with everyone but the commish ignored me and didn’t even want to discuss this with me.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 6:27 PM
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My apologies to the commish and the leaguefor this being such a huge issue.
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So rest assured Astros I didn’t screw myself over in another league where I had more $$$ and spots needed to gain some marginal value in this league.
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So I actually had to leave another draft I was involved with in the middle of the draft with over $100. League members in that league will attest to it , and it royally screwed me in another prize league. I did so because my wife was violently throwing up and we needed to run to the emergency clinic. Once they gave her some fluids and got everything stabilized, I sent a message to the league via the board estimating what I thought was my ETA, and it ended up taking us longer to get out.
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And you unlocked musical without asking the other owners. He was able to make a nom and then you aka the other owners. Again no consistency
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 6:11 PM
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Others agree you should have stopped the draft. Thats a fact. Just thought it was odd a medical emergency and some one can make a draft. Hard to prove either way. You should realize I was not try to embarrass the commish. You could see I was typing but you never bothered to give me the benefit of the doubt and ask me but you did the opposite for musical.
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 6:06 PM
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It wasn't a matter of consistency. It was a matter of situation. An owner was late (who you, by the way, accused of lying) and was unlocked because he gained no benefit from his situation of not attending the draft to begin with. You decided not to nominate four times in a row in order to challenge me - all while commenting continuously. I decided, with the approval of your fellow league-mates, to lock you out for your lacking of adhering to the rules. That is my answer.
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I messaged Astros back. Most answer is in the next post. If I overstepped my boundaries as commissioner, I am fine with relinquishing the duties.
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Commish still waiting to discuss this situation
The Harvest on
March 13, 2019 4:55 PM
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