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"or that the trade is so egregiously lopsided that it adversely effects the league" ...I think you gave all of the necessary evidence needed to veto the trade.
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 2:42 PM
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All I ask is to think twice on how you all would like to set trade voting precedent. Instead of taking the advice or orders from our new owner/commish. I'm not sure how long Raleigh has been in Ottoneu and his experience in trade voting, but typically the guidelines on voting "no" are evidence or strong suspicion of collusion, or that the trade is so egregiously lopsided that it adversely effects the league. Considering that Spa is a long time Ottoneu owner and has won multiple cham
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I would definitely do that, but I think the league will have a meltdown. Shop that package around a bit and if nobody can put together a package better than Volpe, then yes I would do that.
From YOU on April 21, 2022 2:27 PM
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The thing that bothers me the most is the attack on our integrity. I'm going to post consecutive messages between Spa and I had over two weeks ago:
Verlander, Story and cash for Volpe? I already know I won’t be invested enough in this league to check my lineup often enough to maximize points. And I don’t have the bench depth or bullpen to compete. I’ll finish between 3rd and 7th no matter what I do.
From 🐎 Spa City Stallions 🐎 on April 21, 2022 1:46 PM
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I like Austin Martin more than Carroll in every aspect aside from handedness. And by the time Marcelo Mayer reaches Boston he will be expensive. He will get $3-$5 arb this winter and more the next winter. He looks great, but do you honestly see him in Boston before June 2024 at the earliest? You know you don’t, even if you can’t bring yourself to admit it.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 2:19 PM
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Long Gone did make a solid offer. But I don’t see Corbin Carroll as having Volpe’s ceiling, and I think Marcelo Mayer is too far from MLB, June 2024 is too long for me. I mentioned I was looking for 2023 value. But I think it’s silly for you to veto deals because you think I could have done better, after nobody offered anything better.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 2:14 PM
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I did make a comparable offer for Woodruff. Different folks would have different opinions on which might be the better offer and that's fair. But Trevor Story was never discussed as being added to the deal. That's just over the top in my opinion and would make my offer for Woodruff much, much better than the one that was accepted.
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 1:52 PM
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You all know - none of you would make me a decent offer for Trevor Story. He is at auction price, and has not been hitting well. I am on the fence about cutting Story to free a roster spot. If you honestly wouldn’t give up anything of value for Story, what is the problem?
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 1:46 PM
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What a pissy thing to gripe about! I’m in multiple leagues with lots of guys, including some in this league. I used to win league 26 every year, until Winnetka joined and was the beat competition I had. When teams dropped out of his other leagues, I picked them up. I have never met him. I don’t work with him. I’m mot related to him. I know him exclusively from Ottoneu. But I enjoy interacting with him in these leagues.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 1:40 PM
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Including Story is what makes the trade lopsided in my opinion, but I agree that bad trades shouldn’t be vetoed, unless we think there’s collusion. So what’s the deal with you guys being in four different leagues together?
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Does Spa not have the right to trade veterans for prospects he likes? The league had three weeks to make a better offer.
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One weeks ago: "Brandon Woodruff is on the trade block, and I have gotten good offers for him. I don’t want to take an offer without making everyone aware Woodruff is available. I’m in last place and have no serious hope of contending this year, so I’m looking for 2023 value. Not looking for 19 year olds in A ball, just guys who should be assets next year."
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Three weeks ago Spa on the League Message Board: "Full disclosure - I have been getting inquiries about Springer, Woodruff, Montas and others. I’m disappointed in my slow start and considering a partial “rebuild” on the fly, but not a full fire-sale, at least not yet. Looking for quality over quantity - 3 or 4 mediocre players don’t equal a star player."
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When you veto, I know you guys have the integrity to say what Woodruff’s real trade value is, and the courtesy to say why you didn’t offer that kind of value. The only viable offers I got were from Winnetka and Long Gone.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 11:35 AM
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Each owner please vote your approve or disapprove. I will go with majority. Currently 3 to 4. Thank. I feel only fair way. Most leagues I commish, takes only one third to veto.
And the past is the past. I can't change that.
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frequently trade are legitimate. They break no rules. You have to let each owner decide if a trade improves his team. Even if it doesn't fit your idea of how he should. (The Alabama Slammer trade was vetoed and that guy was banned from Ottoneu,)
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Please explain how this trade is too lopsided, especially compared to the ones that you all rejected.
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Since this is the first year here for 5 of you (including the commissioner), you don't know about the Alabama Slammer -- Alabama Slammer trade. A guy owned 2 teams in this league (with different email accts). One of his teams traded its good players to the other. That was a trade to veto. But trades we just don't like (especially if we are quite willing to make similar trades ourselves) or trades that alter the balance this year (as do all trades for prospects), or trades between teams that
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Please every owner vote by end of today. Currently 5 have voted. Decision on trade agreement will be made after vote. Thank you.
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I understand KC. I’m not quite as high on Melendez and Casas as you are - I like them but I don’t see either as an elite prospect. But I am fine with it - with Volpe and Martin I got the prospects I really wanted.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 10:13 AM
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Yea ok Spa City. When you make offers like Malendez and Casas for Devers when I already have 2 third baseman it makes me not want to trade you prospects.
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George Springer is up for bids next 😁
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 10:09 AM
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I think it’s a great trade. Volpe will be the #1 overall prospect by midsummer, and Martin will be top 20. If you won’t trade your prospects, it’s hard to win in Ottoneu.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 10:07 AM
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The difference is that they do this every year. That wasn’t the best offer. if you want to be in a league with constant one sided trades be my guest. You rejected that offer. I don’t see how they are similar
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The difference is you REJECTED it and they have a history of these trades. We all get bad trade offers. I’m vetoing it and encourage others to do the same. It’s a horrible trade plain and simple. I’ve said my part. I’m checking out. Grand scheme of things this is a $20 league.
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To be fair I don't see much difference between this trade and the trade one of you offered me last weekend-- Melendez, Yorke, Gray and Kirby for Albies and Riley.
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Me too. They do this every year in all 4 leagues that they are in together. It’s a joke!
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I agree. To much of a competitive edge
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Most recent trade I vote veto. Too lopsided.
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I'd like Woodruff. I have Corbin Carroll and Marcello Mayer left on the farm. Do you like either?
Long Gone on
April 30, 2022 9:35 PM
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I just want to avoid making anyone upset that I didn’t give everyone a fair chance. My team’s awful start has me thinking 2023 already.
PTBNL on
April 30, 2022 6:15 PM
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That was special to last years Woodruff trade. You are more than welcome to trade him. He’s on your block. Don’t feel the need to make the league know every time you might trade someone
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If you don’t make an offer, please understand it will seem silly to complain if I take another offer.
PTBNL on
April 30, 2022 4:34 PM
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I know it’s frustrating to see star players traded without everyone getting a chance to make offers. I also know few people want to trade Tier-1 prospects. But it’s not realistic to get stars like Woodruff without giving up high end prospects.
PTBNL on
April 30, 2022 4:32 PM
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Brandon Woodruff is on the trade block, and I have gotten good offers for him. I don’t want to take an offer without making everyone aware Woodruff is available. I’m in last place and have no serious hope of contending this year, so I’m looking for 2023 value. Not looking for 19 year olds in A ball, just guys who should be assets next year.
PTBNL on
April 30, 2022 4:30 PM
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Looking to move 2 RP or package an RP/SP (Mahle) for a solid bat.
LIMA.SANDLOT on
April 26, 2022 5:31 PM
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I’ve been discussing trading both Verlander and Story, and I want to make sure anybody who is interested in either or both of them gets a chance to make an offer. The offer I have in hand is for a prospect whom I like a lot. But it’s only fair to see if there are other offers. I’ll hold off until everyone has a chance to think it over. Let me know if you are interested in them.
PTBNL on
April 21, 2022 3:54 PM
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It’s not you Miracle, I’m just used to the same ol’ thing in Ottoneu - nobody making offers, or making low-ball offers, and then getting their feelings ouchy when I trade a good player to another team. It happens in lots of leagues, and happened here a couple times last year. I didn’t mean to make you think I was reacting to your messages from last week. It’s unrelated.
PTBNL on
April 20, 2022 11:54 AM
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Apologies for opening this can of worms, I was really asking about the initial trade just to try and get a handle on this league and ottoneu in general. Spa (Mr. Stallion?), I don't think anyone is complaining or has any right to complain about trades, and I certainly am not planning on checking with every team before trading players. I say go nuts, all is fair in love and fantasy baseball, especially with strangers on the internet.
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If you have not reached out to me about players on my trade block by now, would you at least agree it is unreasonable for you to complain if they are traded to other contending teams? I don’t want to ruin the game for anyone, but seriously only 3 or 4 of you are active when it comes to trade negotiations.
PTBNL on
April 20, 2022 9:53 AM
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Full disclosure - I have been getting inquiries about Springer, Woodruff, Montas and others. I’m disappointed in my slow start and considering a partial “rebuild” on the fly, but not a full fire-sale, at least not yet. Looking for quality over quantity - 3 or 4 mediocre players don’t equal a star player.
PTBNL on
April 18, 2022 3:56 PM
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I agree with Cubby. Obviously each team's roster is unique but I'm not sure I would given $8 for Kirk.
Long Gone on
April 18, 2022 8:31 AM
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I don't think there is any excess value in a $8 Kirk. When I look at trades like this, I ask myself "would Kirk go for significantly more than $8 if he were a free agent right now?" I don't think he would, the trade is totally fine with me.
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As long as Showtime doesn’t complain when I give players away for less than he thinks they are worth (or for literally nothing), I’ll ignore this one.
PTBNL on
April 17, 2022 7:49 PM
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Glad you asked. There are many different layers to Ottoneu. I learn new things every year.
LIMA.SANDLOT on
April 17, 2022 3:59 PM
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To be clear I don’t have any issues with the trade, but since I’m new just wanted to ask
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Just curious as I am relatively new to the league but how many trades of player for only cap space have been made historically in this league. Ultimately i don't think that $8 in cap space or Kirk will make a bit of difference in the outcome of the league.
Pale Hose on
April 17, 2022 12:48 PM
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Kirk has been on my trade block since the beginning of the season. Sorry it’s different. Woodruff was not on your block.
LIMA.SANDLOT on
April 17, 2022 12:44 PM
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There is definitely a difference between Kirk and Woodruff. Plus the timing of the trade. This is April. The Woodruff trade was in August. And Woodruff contributes to a team a lot more than Kirk.
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Re: trade quote from the woodruff discussions "My “gripe” isn’t about the trade or the return. It’s not letting others know. I feel like a broken record explaining my position to you and Saratoga. It’s a great trade. Just give others a heads up." Same point I make here.
Pale Hose on
April 17, 2022 12:41 PM
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