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Winnetka, not sure what your smoking, but I knew none of the owners in this league previous. All have been professional and courteous since I joined and assume the Commish position. We are all here to have a fun and competitive Ottoneu FANTASY Season.
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I think what bothers me the most is how our commish has handled this. Seems like he has created his own Ministry of Trade Fairness with several other owners in this league and has assumed too much power. As a league, we have never done this before. Is this a punishment? Is this a precedent to future trades for everyone or just between Spa and myself?
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First of all, I really don't care about the opinions from a group of nerds on Slack. Fact of the matter is that all four players are prospects. They all have similar ownership percentages and all of them are on everyone's top 100 lists. Which one is better or more valuable than the other is really a crapshoot.
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the end of that previous message was "and it still won't be considered".
Long Gone on
May 6, 2022 8:54 AM
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Regarding my offer to Spa City, I can only repeat the observations I quoted yesterday from the Slack board:
I posted my offer for just Woodruff and the comments were:
"I think it's obvious Carroll and Mayer is a better offer."
"That's a good offer, and makes the actual deal seem a bit nefarious"
Last night I improved that offer by adding up to $11 of current value (per the Surplus Calculator) with approximately par value and it still won'
Long Gone on
May 6, 2022 8:46 AM
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That wasn't the deal. I never discussed acquiring Trevor Story from Spa City. With Correa's injury last night I might be interested now but you are misrepresenting my offer.
Long Gone on
May 6, 2022 8:36 AM
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Just curious, would Carroll and Mayer for Story and Woodruff been approved?
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Over-hyped like Casas is for the Red Sox?
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Volpe is going to be outstanding. He isn’t just another overhyped Yankee prospect.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 9:12 PM
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Here is the last trade involving Volpe processed 4/28
PLAYER NAME SALARY
Robbie Ray SEA SP L $16
Bo Bichette TOR SS R $33
Outgoing Loan $39
Has $7 free, will have $7 free
No Comment
PLAYER NAME SALARY
Elly De La Cruz CIN A+ SS/3B S $1
Anthony Volpe NYY AA SS R $5
Vinnie Pasquantino KCR AAA 1B L $1
Cade Cavalli WSN AAA SP R $3
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I can’t wait for the offers to come flooding in. 😂. Woodruff and Story are mega-stars, so they are no doubt worth top men.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 6:15 PM
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Trade has been canceled. Thank you to everyone for their input. Good luck in season.
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Lol. I have found I do not have the patience for prospects. I hope for your sake Greene figures it out.
Pale Hose on
May 5, 2022 5:05 PM
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I would love to reverse our Montas-Greene trade Pale Hose 😁. Greene was rocked today. Velocity is down, no movement on his pitches, he looks like a RP in the making.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 5:02 PM
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According to surplus calculator a woodruff + springer deal for contreras + joe + suarez would favor the three player side. Any interest Spa?
Pale Hose on
May 5, 2022 4:55 PM
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Another note: Previous to this year, Trevor Story has a .241/.310/.442 slash line away from Coors.
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One could certainly argue that is a better return, however I honestly wouldn't roster Melendez or Stott.
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"Let's look at Trevor Story now (in season):
$31 Story for $7 Strasburg, $4 Chris Taylor, $2 MJ Melendez and $4 Bryson Stott (just last week)"
Stott and Melendez are underwhelming prospects, they may make it in the majors, but will not be high end fantasy starters. Strasburg, not sure what his value is, I picked him up in two auctions for $8, not a lot of value there. I like a $4 Chris Taylor, I have him as well for $5. Would I trade Austin Martin for Taylor and S
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What would be a fair trade for Woodruff? If anyone can get past their anger, could you tell me what would be a fair offer for Woodruff? If he is really as good as everyone says, what would need to be the return for Woodruff for a deal to pass through?
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 4:45 PM
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BTW, Story was a throw in for me. Check his stats away from Coors.
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Long Gone, did you provide context on your slack post? Or did you simply just post the trade and asked for opinions? Did you mention that Spa was publicly taking offers for Woodruff and others? That I mentioned to Spa to shop those players around first. We waited three weeks! Carroll and Mayer is debatable, I'll give you that. If you want to make a friendly wager between the four involved prospects between us, I would be more than happy. You can DM me details.
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I hope someone has it in their heart to get past their hatred for me and make me an offer that is worth Story and Woodruff. I know Volpe and Martin are not enough for them. I agree with you guys. I hope someone offers me a package worth those guys.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 4:15 PM
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I agree. You guys are right. It is a terrible trade…. I do not understand why the commish won’t just cancel the trade already. Please just cancel it.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 4:13 PM
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Let's look at Trevor Story now (in season):
$31 Story for $7 Strasburg, $4 Chris Taylor, $2 MJ Melendez and $4 Bryson Stott (just last week)
Preseason:
$40 Story for $13 Franmil Reyes + $10 Jeff McNeil
$37 Story for $45 Boegerts
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 3:57 PM
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Woodruff has only been traded once since the season started. A $30 Woodruff fetched an $18 Ketel Marte + $18 Luis Castillo (SP).
Before the season started:
$14 Woodruff for a $6 Cease
$34 Woodruff for a $12 Matt Chapman + $5 Taylor Rodgers
$14 Woodruff for $28 Eloy + $McClanahan
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 3:54 PM
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I agree with Showtime. The commissioner should step up and cancel the trade. It isn’t worth this much hate.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:51 PM
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FYI - Devers, Alonso and Springer are available. Looking for 2023 value.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:49 PM
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I have lots of free time, so sure I’ll do that for you Showtime 😂
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:47 PM
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Maybe now is a good time for the Commissioner to commish and cancel the trade. I think there is enough discontent (led by him) to squash this.
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Keep posting nonsense Spa…burying everything else. It’s your modus operandi
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Think this needs to be pinned at the top!
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Quote from Slack…Advice I would give is don’t play in leagues with Spa and Winnetka. They do this all the time. It's not worth the headache
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Has anyone looked at the recent trades for Woodruff? Compared to many of them, Volpe and Martin is a good deal. But I know you are already emotionally invested in your position, and objective analysis never, ever overcomes emotion.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:43 PM
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Haha Jesus Christ man
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But overall, I think the commissioner should cancel the trade. It would be more interesting to see if anyone who thinks Woodruff is so super valuable actually offers me anything. I doubt you will. But who really cares?
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:30 PM
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This league has a lot of owners who over-value their own prospects and under-value other teams’ prospects. I think it’s silly to refuse to give up prospects and then attack others who are willing to trade their prospects. But to each their own.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:28 PM
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I am not breaking any rules. Niv Shah knows who I am, and he can tell I have been in Ottoneu since 2013. I have a right to make the trades I want to make. You guys can veto them if you like.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:25 PM
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Another comment: "If that's not worth a veto, nothing is."
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 3:24 PM
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It’s not upsetting to me at all.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:22 PM
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Quote from Slack…Advice I would give is don’t play in leagues with Spa and Winnetka. They do this all the time. It's not worth the headache
The simple fact that others in Ottoneu see you both this way should be extremely upsetting.
Let’s talk about integrity! You have traded Luis Patino between your two teams 5x in the last two years. You do the same nonsense every year in all 4 leagues. WTF? It’s a game.
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You all know I’m right - once you veto the trade, you will either refuse to make any offers or you will make lowball offers. And you will veto any revised deals I make with Winnetka. Essentially sticking me with un-tradable, expensive players I don’t want and preventing me from building my 2023 team. It’ll be fun anyway. But you know It’s true.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:20 PM
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I’m not even sure what “slack” is.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:16 PM
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I love it! I know Volpe isn’t a superstar, can’t miss Hall of Famer prospect like the great Tristan Casas or Corbin Carroll.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 3:15 PM
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I posted my offer for just Woodruff and the comments were:
"I think it's obvious Carroll and Mayer is a better offer."
"That's a good offer, and makes the actual deal seem a bit nefarious"
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 3:11 PM
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Comments so far on slack:
"that is a truly atrocious deal"
"he can cut Story and come out up on money and with a near-free surplus Woodruff"
"our commish is really down on anyone trade shaming, but I'd have to trade shame that one hard"
"The deal wouldn't be great even if it was just for Woodruff"
"Advice I would give is don’t play in leagues with Spa and Winnetka. They do this all the time. It's not worth the headache.&q
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 3:10 PM
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Go for it! 🤣
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 2:48 PM
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I'd gladly post the trade on Ottoneu's Slack board and get non-biased opinions on the trade.
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 2:47 PM
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😂. Re-read that post Long Gone, and tell me what you missed. You’ll figure it out if you look hard enough.
PTBNL on
May 5, 2022 2:46 PM
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Spa City posted "The thing that bothers me the most is the attack on our integrity. I'm going to post consecutive messages between Spa and I had over two weeks ago". Are you talking to yourself now?
Long Gone on
May 5, 2022 2:43 PM
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and is building for the future, I don't believe there shouldn't be any concern with that issue. To be honest the trade doesn't mean that much to me, really. How much does it really help my roster? Look at my pitching staff. In regards to Story, he is merely depth for me right now until Tatis comes back. Story is averaging about 3.5ppg this year after 5.4ppg last year in Colorado, at $26 there is no trade value there outside a considerable loan.
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