League Message Board
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Touche, Redlegs.
Got Matsui! on
April 28, 2025 9:20 AM
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Come on Matsui, every one knows a division or league winner is the goal for the season. The playoffs are just a post season exhibition
Redlegs on
April 28, 2025 8:31 AM
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You said the league values regular season winner. I stated a fact that Bo's profile calls him 2024 League Winner. Go ahead and deflect though.
You have yet to cite evidence of how Steinbrenner "conned" us "galoots" despite two requests now. We're all waiting.
Got Matsui! on
April 27, 2025 8:43 PM
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Sounds like you think it is You.
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So the league values the regular season winner over the playoff winner? Who is "the league"? You?
Got Matsui! on
April 26, 2025 10:19 PM
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So read it again, Matty. It's in English. A simple, declarative sentence.
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That statement is so dumb, I don't even know how to respond.
Got Matsui! on
April 26, 2025 9:10 PM
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Clearly Matty, if the standings show a team at the top of them all for the year that is the stat the league values most. I rest my case.
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He finished first in the standings but didn't win the playoffs, hence not the League Winner. Look at Bo's profile and you'll see it says 2024 League Winner. Look at the 2024 trades and tell me who he took advantage of. Inquiring minds want to know.
Got Matsui! on
April 26, 2025 8:59 PM
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This format may be new to you, but either Steinbrenner won it all here in 2024 or I did. I wasn't here. I acquired his team and cut way over $300 of that roster. Go to Standings. Click 2024 and by George, there stands Skip Caray who acquired the bones of Steinbrenner's team. But I didn't play here last year; if I had I'd have raised hell about paying good teams to take your expensive talent. I'm doing that this year. So there!
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With me being the illegitimate son of Delores Dutchie Goldman, I kind of have to take offense with the ghost of Skip Caray, who has possessed one of our league owners in an attempt to start a campaign to get him into Cooperstown. I was always competitive with Skip and he only got into broadcasting after seeing me run a successful DJ service and using that as a bridge to be a local sports broadcaster for local T-ball games. I demand a name change Skip. I know it you, you aren't slick.
Redlegs on
April 26, 2025 9:28 AM
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You know you can auction guys after they clear waivers for half price? What even is going on in this league...
Got Matsui! on
April 26, 2025 12:01 AM
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Please cite examples from the 2024 trades list. For the record, Steinbrenner didn't win the league last year.
Got Matsui! on
April 25, 2025 9:06 PM
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I find it hard to understand how those of you who were here last year don't yet comprehend the damage that paying good teams to take your best players is bad, awful, lethal to a competitive league. You have seen it. Your rank in the standings tasted it. But you don't care if it determines another championship. I am not Steinbrenner, but he conned some of you into paying him to take your best and priciest players. We should try to discourage that. You disagree? Then tell me why.
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I am becoming tired of explaining Monopoly economics to galoots. People play fantasy sports for the thrill of victory. This league costs $20 and it pays only in terms of that thrill. It is within the rules of Otto to persuade others to pay you to trade them their stars. That's also true in politics, life insurance, and used car sales. Some thrill in any kind of win. Our duty as honest players requires killing awful trades, and don't quit until your fantasy football teams draft. IJTS!
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Ok, I'm confused. You don't win any money for winning the league. So why would someone "buy a flag"?
Redlegs on
April 25, 2025 4:48 PM
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Sure thing Skippy Peanut Butter. Enjoy your "women" and "whiskey."
Got Matsui! on
April 25, 2025 11:58 AM
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enjoy the spicy message board this year compared to years past. at the very least i hope it translates to an active and interesting season.
lordporkchop on
April 25, 2025 10:30 AM
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I am saying You have no experience with flag buying, unless you say it last year. I have seen it a few years and based upon those outcomes I have observed what too often happens. That may not come about here, but my experience and yours as well if you were here in 2024, tells you and me that it will. Thanks for proving my point.
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So it sounds like you're saying I shouldn't jump to conclusions? Thanks for proving my point.
Got Matsui! on
April 25, 2025 10:12 AM
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Well, Matty, I'm still in it and a co-commissioner. But it's a private league. If not, look up Women & Whiskey in 4x4. Team name is Magic Bus. As for flag buying here, I had to cut a bunch of expensive guys ... Soto, Judge, Fried, Betts and a few others. I either began this season with the lowest pre-draft set of keepers, or at least second lowest. Big Time Cuts Were Made. Now vote to veto this trade before it goes through.
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Skippy, how do we know you you didn't leave your 10-year league to "flag buy" here? Seems suspicious.
Got Matsui! on
April 24, 2025 5:12 PM
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I have played only one Otto league for ten years up until now. I have witnessed the onset of flag buying. I have observed what happened the next year. I, at least, have seen this cycle run its course before. Have you, Matty? And no, the goal is not to be as realistic as possible: that would require permanent large and small market teams. The goal of all fantasy baseball leagues is to build a challenging, fun to play league within a sensible set of rules. The rules ain't quite there yet.
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Unless you "know" Steinbrenner, I don't think that's fair to assume that's why he moved on. I doubt he's running a fantasy baseball scam to win $100 by getting "loans" on players. You're assuming everyone's worst intentions without knowing the facts.
Got Matsui! on
April 24, 2025 12:17 PM
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i guess to me the whole goal of this platform is to be as close to real as possible; so approaching trade deadline, mortgaging the future for some high priced "rentals" makes sense; and the loans make more sense then too - if i'm only getting a guy for 2 months, maybe seller should cover some of that salary. but i also ought to give up some future potential. this trade mimics some of that, but seems to early for selling with the offset. that's my main concern here - too early for big l
lordporkchop on
April 24, 2025 10:21 AM
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In effect, ending a season with $550 of salary means the Next Owner has to cut at least $250 to have any $ to fill the holes for the 4 or 5 priceys lost in those $ cuts. Unpopularity aside, there's a reason ol' Steinbrenner moved on (to repeat the process in another league?) along with several others.
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It was kind of BS last year that half the teams in the Playoffs had salaries well over $300. The Steinbrenner team had a $550+ salary by the end of the year. If it carried over like an actual loan to the following year, maybe, but even then it would have killed any chance of someone else taking that team over.
Redlegs on
April 24, 2025 7:56 AM
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Wow, this has really sparked some strong feelings. I’ve been in this league three years and this is a first for me. I’ll say I’m very excited to acquire a superstar young OF in Jackson Merrill at a long term keeper price if the league allows. If not, so be it. Seemed like a win/win trade. It’s just fantasy baseball, though, so, hopefully passions cool as this can be a very fun league.
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So you guys are upset about the loan rules, but not the actual trade? Last year I traded Bo my studs for a ton of prospects and it worked great for both of us. He won the league and I got to rebuild.
Got Matsui! on
April 23, 2025 10:55 PM
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Did vote for what it's worth. We'll see how the league rules.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 10:25 PM
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I understand living with Otto's rules and all that. But when leagues get into the mode where guys who really want to win now find trade partners willing to give up superstars for prospects and pay the other guy to take the superstar ... that kills leagues. This one seems on the road to being one of them. Stop this now.
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Agreed. At least last year that tomfoolery came late. Didn't like it then either but I was buried and no one seemed bothered. Seems fair to address early this season though. And yes the player swap is what it is if not for the salary offset. That alone doesn't offend me.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 10:01 PM
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s/b Give up your studs ... not accept them. Double dumbass on me!
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But the actual trade seems fine to me
VT Expos on
April 23, 2025 9:57 PM
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Principle: shady, especially this time of year as standings dont even fully level out until may-ish and nothing is really out of reach yet
VT Expos on
April 23, 2025 9:56 PM
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The principle? What might that be? The team I bought won last year and I noticed that guy had a end of season salary of well over $500. That's a horseshit way to win a league. The principle should be fair play and sportsmanship. Conning others into paying you to accept their studs for futures or duds is a failing of Ottoneu, which is otherwise a fine format.
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A little worried that when I hit the veto button it's commish level veto btw. So haven't voted yet. However it's less the specific trade here that bothers me (though I don't love it) than the principle.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 9:50 PM
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(huge Jackson Merill fan weighing in haha)
VT Expos on
April 23, 2025 9:43 PM
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I dont love the whole loaning thing….. buttttt I would be willing to place a side bet that Merrill outproduces Jrod from the day he returns.
VT Expos on
April 23, 2025 9:42 PM
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Winner and I played in an Otto 4X4 league which was won (maybe him, maybe not ... names have been changed to protect someone) by use of convincing guys with very good players to pay somebody else to take them in return for a decent and cheap guy. It makes sense if one squints from the perspective of the guy giving up Soto and throwing in $45 to get $6 Nootbaar. For the rest of the league? We feel swindled. We gotta veto this kind of purchased championships. If not, who wants more of it?
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Not sure JRod is a season winner. Metrics on the deal are a toss up. To each their own.
Got Matsui! on
April 23, 2025 9:32 PM
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And Lord Pork, your abstinence on a veto vote is a vote for the deal. Get off your duff and vote to veto.
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I hate that deal with heart and soul. There's a week left in April and you punt your season? This kind of shit kills leagues. Don't let that happen here.
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I'd agree with that (trading small contract for big because youve got space), but with the loans it negates that. essentially each person ends up with the same cap space as they started with; the loan just evens things. it does handicap the loaner going forward, but if they've punted on the season already that's not much of a disincentive.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 1:21 PM
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I don't like the rule, but if they have the space and want to make it part of the trade, that should be a benefit of saving the cap space
Redlegs on
April 23, 2025 1:10 PM
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well, everyone has the option to vote down a trade but I'm not going to abuse commish status and veto myself (i think majority saying no would veto it though). Outside of that, it's generally gentleman's agreement not to abuse the system, whatever anyone decides might be "abusive". Just wanted to provide some food for thought and see how others felt.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 1:08 PM
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Understood. I agree with you, but if no rules on loan usage are built into the system, there's not much to be done, right?
Got Matsui! on
April 23, 2025 11:57 AM
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sure, but i don't think the purpose is to allow for teams to simply roster like $550 worth of players with multiple loans. to my way of thinking it's more like ok, this trade would tick me $3 over the limit, so could you give me a $3 loan; not like $40 per crack. It's more to even up someone underperforming on big contract for someone overperforming a smaller one. an acknowledgement that the salaries don't match production. but again, maybe it's just me.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 11:09 AM
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What's the point of the loans then? I assumed it was added for this reason.
Got Matsui! on
April 23, 2025 11:02 AM
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for what it's worth - I'm not a fan of these outgoing loans on every trade, particularly this early in the season. not going to meddle, but it seems to me that part of the decision on whether a trade makes sense is whether you can finance it and/or which cuts need to be made to get it done. a few bucks to level a trade out is one thing, but simply covering the difference in salaries seems problematic to me. but maybe I'm the only one.
lordporkchop on
April 23, 2025 9:53 AM
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