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To piggy back on T-Rex for a minute - making trades doesn't guarantee success. We've had 4 this offseason. I'm in another league that has had 40. I think a lot of it has to do w/the initial draft because there are guys people are clinging to that are extremely overpaid. You don't see this in other leagues that often because maximizing your $400 is usually more critical. Hence why cheap production is so valuable. More so than superstar players.
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This is the beauty of this type of league. So far we have 3 ways of looking at this trade. All with sound reasoning behind it. My ultimate hope as someone with a major stake in this league is this helps spur more roster action and more dialogue. I keep an eye on who visits the league and when, and we have a very active group of people checking in, which is good. But, major moves via trade are minimal. Hoping this dialogue can peel back the layers a bit and leads to more future action like this.
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I think everyone is in agreement Wheeler had the better 21’. It’s can he repeat & for how long. Also, while you so astutely pointed out that Wheeler had 58% more output in WAR, the number was only 34% on Ottoneu. And that 34% was driven by IP, which is a weakness for McCuller’s. But Wheeler’s weakness is production. 2 of his season’s have been >5ppi. Every season but 1 has been above 5ppi for McCuller’s. Factor in the youth, salaries, Garver, Greene - not really seeing the issue.
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All pitchers have risk. Wheeler 7.7 war. McCullers 3.3. Wheeler has no k jury history McCullers has already surgery once and now had a forearm strain. Cmon this is crazy you got the better end of the trade and k commend you on it but lets not try and convince everyone else we’re all taking crazy pills here.
Daigos on
February 2, 2022 12:31 AM
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Now onto the fun part - let’s get some player dialogue. I am a big McCuller’s fan on Ottoneu. His low IP keeps him cheap but his PPI is 5+. High on Garver/Greene. Their ownership window is far better.
Wheeler has risk. I’m betting on him. My feeling was he faded / they corrected. Worst 2 months we’re July/August but in Sept. he had his best month. So I’m banking on that being him re-adjusting & not weak September rosters. Metrics all look pretty good supporting the “breakout
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2 yrs in the league and this is the most banter the league has had so if this is what it takes to get some talk so be it I’ll take the bad for the good.
Daigos on
February 2, 2022 12:03 AM
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2) I think guys value different things differently & should. Barring collusion, nothing should really be vetoed.
3) prospects, cap relief, cap management, etc. all has value. How much? That’s up to the owner (see #2). I see a lot of deals revolving around prospects. I see a lot of cap relief moves. Cheap value matters when the cap is involved. As does depth.
So I think you’re both right. There is a lot being overlooked (player specific & Ottoneu vs Dyna
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I’m not mad and don’t believe there is collusion I just was trying to justify it my head. I do t know it all not bye a long shot. McCullers may not pitch for first part of season Greene won’t come tribute until may at earliest and will be in an IP limit. Garver may have you 19 stats but if he doesn’t then he’s steep even at 8. Wheeler has been good on a crappy team and now will provide ACE stats barring injury. Cole is 33. Don’t see the same value to 2 years down the line. Again my two cents
Daigos on
February 2, 2022 12:01 AM
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You’re saying you overpayed for Wheeler????
Daigos on
February 1, 2022 11:55 PM
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I had messaged on the side. Didn’t expect there to be much activity on the board. But I think this presents a unique opportunity (esp w/some the newer owners) to generate dialogue. So I’ll address the trade & then open it up.
1) I agree w/both of you. Call it bias. I felt it was fair. Really, an overpay. I know the risk/reward in Wheeler. If he isn’t 21’ ZW, he’s probably a cut. If he is 21’ Wheeler, he provides elite bang for the buck. I have depth at SP and C, so it was a
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Unfortunately, in my experience, you can't be mad at how someone evaluates their players. You can only be mad when you sniff collusion.
With that said, Wheeler has never had a season like that. He's already in his 30s. And he pitches in a hitters park.
McCullers is younger, has a better K/9 than Wheeler at that point in his career, and is less than half the price.
Seems like some good old fashion buy-low, sell-high.
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Love that there is some dialogue. I saw it as a 3-for-1 plus some minor cap relief with two of them having pretty high upsides. Wheeler was a monster last year, no doubt, but I think that’s the fun of this type of league - being able to do an offseason 3-for-1 to potentially deepen your roster and look more toward the future, if so desired. As commish, I’m happy to see trade action and discussion around it. Hope it all remains civil, but ok if it goes sideways, too.
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A top 24 dynasty player for a prospect, a recovering SP from TJ and Garver. Idk I would never be the guy that talks down a trade but I have hard time digesting this one. Just my two cents happy to be talked off the ledge lol.
Daigos on
February 1, 2022 9:02 PM
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Reminder -- Extend your dynasty by Jan. 31 (one week from today) by paying your 2022 fee. If you don't, your team will be automatically abandoned by Ottoneu and set off a whole mess of a process to get it back. So, please, renew by the 31st to keep everything rolling smoothly.
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All - Ottoneu moved the keeper deadline to February 15 because of the MLB lockout. But the payment renewal deadline remains January 31. Make sure to pay by that date.
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Pickle Traphouse has been claimed. Welcome to the league, Doug.
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The new owner of Pickle Traphouse has vanished on us. He did not complete his arbitration (even though he checked in frequently in Oct/Nov), and has not responded to my inquiries. Therefore, I have marked his team abandoned in hopes of it being claimed by someone. I've also started recruiting options. If anyone knows of someone interested in joining this league, please let me know.
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I'm in a Yahoo 12 team head-to-head keeper league that is looking to replace an owner. This is a challenging league with a unique set-up. There is $25 annual fee with top 4 positions getting a payout. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I will provide more details and/or direct you to the commissioner.
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Another reminder -- complete your arbitration by Sunday the 14th. There are still five managers who have not done this.
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Reminder -- arbitration must be completed by Sunday, November 14. Please complete this as soon as possible.
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We are an allocation league. So you will have $25 to apply to raises. $1 has to go to every team. No more than $3 to any one team. Message board handles pretty much everything. You can also message me if you have league questions, or any other manager if you have questions for them.
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Which arbitration option do we use? Also, I’d there a league Discord, or does the message board handle all league communications?
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Reminder -- arbitration opens tomorrow. If anyone has any questions for how the process works, just let me know. You can also check out this link: https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/rules#offseason and scroll down to part "d." in the Offseason section.
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Will be back in 2022
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Welcome. Thanks for joining so quickly!
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As a Rockies fan (by choice) it only seems fitting to let the status quo continue, no matter how questionable the decision making that led there. Pickle Traphouse will return in 2022.
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We have a taker for our dearly departed Pickle Traphouse. We shall see if the franchise name continues or is rebranded under new management.
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Thrillers planning to return for next year. Thanks for another fun season.
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Thanks, all. There are some feelers out to fill the spot about to be vacated. Let me know if you know of someone interested. If there is no traction in a week to ten days or so, I’ll post the team on the abandoned teams list.
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Congrats, T-Rex and Haterade!
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Congrats to T-Rex for championship and to Haterade and Track Power for making the podium. Thanks for great job Commish, hope we get exciting baseball in the next month and a half
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Now that I have risen into the Top 10 for the first time all year... I will be bowing out with my participation trophy in hand. Speak well of me -- the Pickle Traphouse is being abandoned. (Thanks Jet; it's been more fun than I expected -- and I mean that as a major compliment. Huge improvement over "typical" fantasy baseball)
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Haterade will be back for 2022!
rowdy old boys on
September 26, 2021 3:55 AM
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I will be back and am looking to improve
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Big Papi will be back for 2022
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As we wind down the season, please let me know as soon as possible if you do not plan to continue next year so I can recruit new members, if needed. Hoping everyone sticks around for many more seasons.
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LeagueI created in $20 Ottoneu Fantasy Football league called Dingleberry Circus. It is Flex (WR/RB/TE) + Superflex (QB/WR/RB/TE), 1 PPR, 1 division, top 6 make the playoffs. Draft is 9/7 @ 8:30 PM EST. Come join the party!! https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/football/invite?invite=eyJMZWFndWVJRCI6MTk0LCJJbnZpdGVySUQiOiIxMzEzOTgifQ==
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You sure picked a good day to tout your “rise to domination” - 248.8 points!
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Ha. Definitely don’t remember that convo. Right on. It’ll only make my rise to domination all the more glorious.
jobu on
April 8, 2021 9:49 PM
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Correct. This is now a Roto league based solely on total points scored for standings rather than head to head matchups. With it come games played and innings limits, which you can find in your lineups pages.
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I had to be reminded by the Yellow Darts myself. Apparently we voted at the end of last season to switch to a points based league. So yes H2H matchups are gone now.
Daigos on
April 8, 2021 8:17 PM
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So maybe a little late to the game here but how are we scoring this year? No more h-2-h?
jobu on
April 8, 2021 8:09 PM
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happy opening day and good luck this year, fellas. jobu's magical season begins today.
jobu on
April 1, 2021 10:47 AM
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Reminder: the draft is one week from today. Let me know ASAP if the current date or time does not work for you.
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Already had one request to move it back to 5 pm Eastern / 4 pm Central.
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Rather than put together a survey, I'm going to try this by throwing out a date for the auction draft. Does Sunday, March 14 at 3:00 pm Eastern Time / 2:00 pm Central Time work for everyone? If not, please let me know ASAP and I'll throw out a different day.
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FYI to all -- Feb. 28 is not going to be our draft date. That's just a place holder. I'm thinking some time in mid-March unless Opening Day and Spring Training are significantly pushed back again. I'll send out something in the coming weeks to get everyone's availability.
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Me again, trying to fill another league with our commish, we are missing one owner in another league I'm in. If interested, please go to CLAIM on your dashboard, the league name is SUMMER CLASSIC, the team is Sanski Most at 75$, Old school 5 x 5, alloc system, lineups weekly (Yelich, Rendon, Mondesi, C. Seager, Soler, Hoskins, D'Arnaud, Darvish, Price, Taillon, Davies, Freeland, E. Hernandez, K. Jansen, and many more HURRY UP BEFORE JANUARY 31
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Hello everyone, I have taken over the What Speed Do team. Looking forward to the challenge in front of me. I know we're at the 11th hour with respect to the cut deadline, but am willing to consider any last minute trade offers on any of my players.
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Our newest manager cut Drew Waters by mistake. He let me know and I added him back to the roster. So long as anyone alerts me of a mistake within a reasonable timeframe, I'll correct it.
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