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The rules are the rules, DG. It's all there in black-and-white. You chose to go over the cap, and almost a day later you're still over the cap -- and hoping to rely on a trade that still hasn't happened as your "get out of jail free" card. Explain how does this situation does not give you an unfair advantage over the rest of us? If there have been other instances of people breaking the rules, it should've been flagged. I am not aware of any.
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Item 4 (contin.)
In total, I am being forced to give up Jackson Chourio and Andrew Abbott for Nestor Cortes and Jose Altuve. You could say that's unfair, you're welcome to an opinion, but I identify and add prospects for the sole purpose of trading them. The owners of Nate Lowe, Corbin Carroll, Austin Riley, and Logan Gilbert can thank me for similar deals, and they probably did better than Nestor Cortes and his 5.16 xFIP.
Diamond Girl on
May 12, 2023 10:13 AM
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Item 4 - Ethics
First off, I do not think my trade with Mike Mashers is unfair. It is only in this larger context that I would do it. I think it's savvy of Mashers to horde cap space during a rebuild. It is what I would do.
Diamond Girl on
May 12, 2023 10:11 AM
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Item 3 (contin.)
If I felt this was going to be an issue (and I didn't, as I will cover later), I would have simply changed the order of operations. I would have set my deadline with Mashers 1 day before the end of the auction instead of one hour before it, and a deal would have been reached. I simply was unaware people would interpret the rules this way. Simply put: because I thought I had more time to negotiate, I took it.
Diamond Girl on
May 12, 2023 10:05 AM
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My 2 cents —
I don’t think anything nefarious was going, as such, I wasn’t aware of the issue around having your team always compliant until WAMCO pointed it out. So DG (and Mashers), there’s no shade here. And certainly no vitriol intended. Enjoy this league a lot.
RE: veto. I think this is what the veto is for, no? When you see a trade that you think is unfair. For me, it’s not so much the ineligibility of the squad that caught my as as it was the combo of that + ec
The deGrims on
May 12, 2023 10:04 AM
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Item 3 (contin.)
Under those assumptions, I would have simply waited to nominate Altuve until after the trade terms were agreed upon, and none of this would have happened. We have never seen a trade not go through, and this trade was negotiated for days in good faith, so I had no reason to think it would be vetoed. On top of this, I gave Mashers a deadline to complete the deal with the conclusion of the Altuve auction in mind.
Diamond Girl on
May 12, 2023 10:03 AM
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Item 3 - The Move
For the sake of argument, let's assume the trade is fair, and let's assume that I was aware people would be upset about this. I can say with certainty that I wouldn't have tried anything that would drum up this much vitriol, so let's also assume I approach this whole thing differently. The outcome would not have changed. This is key: I was the one who nominated Altuve.
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Item 2 - The Rules
Obviously, we've seen people go over the cap before and make cuts shortly after to get back under it, so I didn't see any difference in this instance. People "willingly and knowingly" go above the cap in order to add someone and make a cut later. I see names in red font on the standings all the time. Sometimes those names are in red for days. From my perspective, this wasn't going to be different. I didn't even view it as a loophole let alone a brea
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Item 1 (contin.)
And from a philosophical perspective, I would never veto someone's trade on the basis of it being "uneven". Vetoes are to police cheating. As someone who would not have traded Chourio for Cortes and $17 under any other circumstance, I think it's "not in the spirit of the league" to decide what trades are worthy. I think Chourio is really good, and have used top prospects like him in the past to get blue chippers like Gerritt Cole at the deadli
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Item 1 - The Trade
Mashers and I negotiated for days on that deal. Literally. You raise a good question there 7th Inning Streakers, and I have no problem with Mashers' strategy. He came into this year with the cap space to essentially "buy" young players off teams in need of cap relief. If you want to rebuild, this seems like a great approach. I would not have done this trade under any other circumstances.
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Wow, I have a lot to respond to! First of all, I have no intention of being untoward. I think it's super unfair to say I'm making a mockery of the rules. I'm one of the most active and passionate players in this league and consider it to be my favorite fantasy league in any sport, period. I want to win and I want to win fair and square. I figure I need to respond to a few items here.
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I'll just put this out there again: "At no time shall a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits." DG is currently "willingly" over the salary cap limit -- and was so the moment he signed Altuve 15 hours ago. Two minutes later, he cut Miranda. But he's so far declined to cut anyone further to make his roster legal. The rules are explicit. He chose to sign Altuve willingly and that had consequences (as does any winning FA bid). Why should he get the advantage of kee
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It's a genuine question and relies on an interpretation of the rules maybe, just my two cents. perhaps it comes down to whether the trade is vetoed or not.
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To be totally transparent, I offered Mashers a group of young players/prospects for current MLBers because they appear to be building.
Still, I think it's the 2 items together that DeGrims and WAMCO point out — the trade & the auction. should you be able to lean on a team that’s struggling via a deeply uneven trade to prop up your budget so you can afford w/e you want at auction? If a team is willing to give that many $$ for a dice roll, is that in the spirit and fair to our base c
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No one ever said he was too busy, that was a hypothetical example in counter to your literal reading of the rule and the arbitrary lines you are attempting to draw. What I am saying is he had a clear plan to make his roster compliant, and he has at least one person that doesn't think he was attempting to do anything nefarious. Stating definitively that he attempted to make a mockery of the rules seems a bit unnecessarily aggressive.
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DG cut Jose Miranda two minutes after the Altuve signing went through. So he wasn't too busy to make cuts.
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Seems I'm in the minority here, and it's totally fine with me if we decide this is illegal, just sharing my two cents. I at least think this boils down to simple differences in interpretation of the rules, not an effort to make a "mockery" of them.
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Well if you take that rule literally, we all willingly go over roster/salary cap limits. Why is a cut after a pick up so much more morally acceptable than trading for cap space ahead of time? Why is 23 hours such an unacceptable time? I do think people usually make timely cuts, but it's not always immediate, you could just be busy. These lines seem somewhat arbitrary to me.
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The rules don't say: "you have 23 hours to make your roster legal after a trade processes." It's "at no time," "willingly" and "knowingly." Everyone has always abided by the rules and made immediate moves. There is no precedent and this has nothing to do with creativity. It's entirely to do with an even playing field. We shouldn't let one owner make a mockery of the rules for their own gain. (For the record, I did not bid on Altuve.)
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I don't see any wiggle room in the rules: "At no time shall a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits." There is no disputing that DG willingly did this by placing a bid for Altuve that involved more money than he had available. In the five years of this league, has there ever been an example where someone who put in a bid for a player didn't IMMEDIATELY make cuts? I don't recall one. You bid what you have or have a plan to cut accordingly.
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Yeaaaa, appreciate your wheeling & dealing DG but this one’s not great. I also don’t love that trade Mashers, and have vetoed. $17 + Cortez for a player with an average value of $4 isn’t fitting.
The deGrims on
May 12, 2023 8:40 AM
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I think the main repercussion for exceeding roster/salary cap limits is the frozen team, and the additional rule that is being cited is for people that aren't impacted by this. A team out of contention in September could pick up 20 prospects and not cut anyone, since they don't care about the built in illegal roster mechanisms. Something like that can and should be dealt with at the commissioner's discretion. In my opinion this trade/Altuve pick up seems creative, but in the spirit of Ottoneu
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How the Altuve pick up is working out feels very much against the spirit of competition that we have here. I’m all for clever deals and efforts, but this feels much more like a gaming of the Ottoneu system, especially considering the rules.
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My reading of the rules would be that you need to take action now, DG. The rules say: "At no time shall a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits. If a team knowingly does this, they will face penalties at the discretion of their league's commissioner." Whether you have a trade in the works or not, you've "willingly" and "knowingly" breached the salary cap to gain an advantage. Interested in other interpretations, but "at no time" leaves littl
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Once my loan comes in around noon, I plan on cutting Andrew Abbott. That will put me under the cap.
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Hey Diamond Girl. Just wanted to flag that it's now been more than 12 hours since you willingly and knowingly exceeded the salary cap by picking up Altuve. Looking forward to seeing who you cut to make your team legal again!
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That trade processing the morning after Miller going 7 no hit innings makes me sad. Haha.
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But I am sad that I sat Rizzo against a lefty last night... oops.
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I'm not sad that he went 0-for-5! (Which probably tells you were I fall on the like/hate scale!)
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After just 565 days, im happy to have El Nino back. No matter where you fall on the like/hate scale, it's good for baseball!
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aye, gotcha. thank you!
The deGrims on
April 4, 2023 9:15 PM
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It’s only if they’re on the 60 IL (or Suspended, I think?) that you get an extra roster spot.
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hey guys — i might be having a brain fade but i thought you could have more than 40 players on your squad if you have players on the IL. (i’ve been having trouble getting players to stick on the IL and minors league spots this season)
i just won a bid, but i’m being asked to drop a player. hoping to not do that and there’s a simple fix!
cheers, matt
The deGrims on
April 4, 2023 4:46 PM
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Every year I feel like I leave a 3 homer performance on the bench. This one hurt, because my gut said play him, but I second guessed myself
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Come Sale Away, one bench hitter and it was the wronnnnnng one. Talk about unlucky! Trayce went nuclear.
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Looks like you guys got some good prices. Harper for $16…wow! Sorry I missed out! I literally had no service, which I did not expect. Excited for a fun season!
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Good morning, and happy draft day. Guys, I'm going to attempt to do this on my phone today. I am at a dance competition for my 2 daughters and 12 noon is one's first dance so I am not sure I'll be on at the start. Fortunately, I don't have much money to spend or roster spots to fill, so don't worry about holding anything up for me.
Thanks and good luck to everyone,
Adam
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Draft date and time are set:
Saturday, March 25th, 12pm EST.
Looking forward to seeing everyone there!
@BuntSingles on
February 25, 2023 9:26 PM
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We're still waiting on a few respondents, but so far the best option for the draft start time on March 25th is Noon ET. If you haven't filled the survey out, please do so ASAP! I will be officially setting the draft date based on survey results this Saturday.
@BuntSingles on
February 22, 2023 5:36 PM
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Please fill out this survey to help determine our draft start time on Saturday, March 25th:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdi3s8VttdjQrIc4nbhk-LMWwaXrYsJpYCq1PRMDYyuGVEVdA/viewform?usp=sf_link
When filling this out, keep in mind that we should set aside approx. 3-4 hours to complete the draft. Answer accordingly!
@BuntSingles on
February 14, 2023 7:17 PM
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Draft date is set for Saturday, March 25th. Time to be announced.
Thank you to everyone who responded! I will send out another survey this evening once I'm home to help determine our draft time.
@BuntSingles on
February 13, 2023 2:41 PM
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Most of the league has responded, but we are still waiting on three teams.
So far, the clear leader for the draft date is Saturday, March 25, with respondents being fairly evenly split on a starting time.
I will wait for the last three teams to respond before officially setting the time and date, but wanted to provide an update. If you have not yet responded, please do so at your earliest convenience and we can go from there.
Thanks!
@BuntSingles on
February 7, 2023 3:55 PM
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Hey y'all, much like last year, here is a Google Form to help us figure out the time that works best for all parties involved:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfSE4re0hvz3-pkP2Hy6gVjfSE1k0RsUjBqDwhWjjCy5gjlYg/viewform?usp=sf_link
Paste that link in your address bar, and we can use responses as a baseline for determining a solid date.
(Here's to hoping I figured out how to read a calendar between last year and now.)
@BuntSingles on
February 6, 2023 6:35 PM
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I’ll get in early with a vote for March 25 or 26 (which is the weekend before Opening Day) as I’m travelling the following one. Jason
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When are we thinking for the draft?
Diamond Girl on
February 6, 2023 11:31 AM
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Also!
Once we have all keepers set, I will be sending out a google form link to help us determine our draft date/time.
@BuntSingles on
January 23, 2023 1:15 PM
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Hey y'all, hope everyone is doing well.
Reminder that our keeper deadline, along with the deadline to renew your team for 2023, is Tuesday January 31st at 11:59pm EASTERN TIME -- one week from tomorrow.
If anyone has any questions, please let me know. I'll be checking my DMs and this message board daily throughout this upcoming week.
@BuntSingles on
January 23, 2023 1:14 PM
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A friendly reminder that it’s Arbitration Deadline Day — so please feel free to take the opportunity to punish the Legends, Maulers and Nevermind for their successful seasons! Jason
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Thank you for the reminder, Baseballocks (Steven)!
If anyone has any questions on arbitration matters please feel free to reach out to me via e-mail, I'd be happy to help out. If we do need any new managers once arbitration is wrapped up, please let me know ASAP!
- Jordan AKA BuntSingles
@BuntSingles on
October 29, 2022 8:39 PM
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Thank you everyone for a great, competitive season! Just a reminder that arbitration has began. If you don't plan on returning for next season, please hang around long enough to participate in arbitration to help preserve the league's competitive balance. Otherwise looking forward to some trading and getting ready for next season!
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