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I’m checking in on this for you; I’m in the same boat as KK re: this, but am following up on it with folks in the know.
@BuntSingles on
January 30, 2024 3:19 PM
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From Niv, in the forums, March 2021:
The 60-day IL does not give extra roster spots until after the auction draft is marked as completed. No team can leave the auction draft with more than 40 players.
The reasons for this:
Not all players that WILL be on the 60-day for Opening Day are placed on the 60-day IL yet.
This ensures that there is not over-valuing 60-day IL players during the auction draft
...[one other reason that got cut off on my copy and paste]
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Not positive, but I think they count as a roster spot until they are formally placed on the 60-day IL
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I’ve been wondering the same thing!
Duran Duran on
January 30, 2024 9:27 AM
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Anyone know how this works - when you have an injured player (see Jasson Dominguez, out til mid summer), will he count towards roster size on draft day? During the season, anyone on long term IL allows for an extra roster slot. Is that true on draft day as well? TY
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Stove has been exceptionally hot lately, been very fun to see how active folks have been.
(Just updated my block, btw)
@BuntSingles on
January 17, 2024 9:35 PM
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Loving all the hot stove action!
Duran Duran on
January 17, 2024 6:32 PM
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Hi folks:
If you have someone who may be interested in taking over the vacancy, please DM me with their Ottoneu username.
Diamond Girl has sent me the info of an interested party as of 12/11, but if either of the individuals 7th Inning Streakers or Arthurian Legends mentioned on 12/9 have serious interest, I will take them as the “first come, first served” in this scenario.
@BuntSingles on
December 11, 2023 4:22 PM
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I also might have a lead on someone.
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I may someone. He’s actually an old friend of the founder. Let me check with him
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Hi all,
We have a manager vacancy for Martinsburg Maulers, as the previous manager stepped down.
If anyone has a lead on someone who might want to join the league, please DM me here. I'll be checking messages semi-regularly (2ish times/week).
Hope everyone enjoyed the madness surrounding the Ohtani signing!
@BuntSingles on
December 9, 2023 7:08 PM
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Hey everyone! Reminder that Arbitration ends today!
Diamond Girl on
November 14, 2023 10:21 AM
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Thanks, Legends! So many teams in this league have set themselves up well for 2024 auction (and beyond) -- but I do like a challenge!
WAMCO Geckos on
October 3, 2023 2:01 AM
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Congrats to the top 3 teams, but especially to WAMCO. Flags fly forever, baby. Looking forward to a fun offseason!
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Or a single run by Streakers after 1924 games…
WAMCO Geckos on
October 2, 2023 1:49 AM
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Thanks, Jordan and Matt! Gotta say the EPIC battle to the wire between Maulers, Streakers and DG for 3rd had me on edge of my seat yesterday. (And it looks like it came down to a 0.00157 difference in WHIP after 1500 IPs that finally decided it. Unreal! It doesn’t get closer than that…)
WAMCO Geckos on
October 2, 2023 1:47 AM
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Congrats WAMCO, Kenny & Maulers. Right down to the wire with Streakers and DG, too. Great finish. Looking forward to the draft!
Duran Duran on
October 1, 2023 11:33 PM
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Congrats, Geckos!
@BuntSingles on
October 1, 2023 8:52 PM
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Two days to go and a single point separating 3rd, 4th and 5th… what a race!
WAMCO Geckos on
September 30, 2023 3:09 AM
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Hey everyone, quick reminder that the trade deadline is Thursday, August 31!
@BuntSingles on
August 29, 2023 9:27 PM
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Thanks for all the time and energy (a 45-minute video call!!!) you put into this undeniably tricky situation, Jordan. If nothing else, this has provided a fascinating glimpse into the minds / opinions of this passionate group. As someone said earlier, it’s a shame we can’t just sit around a table over a pint to hammer these things out… and I do hope this difference in opinion doesn’t mean DG will stop sending me constant LOL trade offers.
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Agree with all of the sentiment shared here. A big thanks to the commish for going to such lengths to get a resolution. Appreciate the dedication. I also love that the Ottoneu godfathers appeared promptly when beckoned. A 45 minute video call! Good stuff.
Duran Duran on
May 12, 2023 9:01 PM
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Honestly, that’s clarifying. Really appreciate the work, commish. (And also sort of glad that old-timers also debated about it for 45 min, lol.) Really appreciate the debate and dialogue everyone. Heading into the Yanks game now for some of that live competition!
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Appreciate the effort you put in to finding a resolution. It took me 45 minutes just to read everything, so I don't know if I'd have gone the extra 45 in video form. :)
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This is the perk of being an "industry" guy, I guess. (Just threw up in my mouth calling myself that.)
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Thank you commish! Very cool to hear the Godfathers of Ottoneu were consulted on our league. Great work, you went above and beyond here
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Once again, I greatly appreciate everyone chipping in on the conversation and hope that we can enjoy an active and amicable remainder of the 2023 season, and beyond. If anyone has any questions for me specifically, feel free to get in my DMs to ask.
Thanks much!
- Jordan
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One team near the bottom of the standings acquiring arguably the top prospect in baseball in exchange for major league pitching talent is not an egregious thing, in my eyes. This is a move you often see in standard Dynasty leagues, and I believe that neither of these managers should be punished for actively searching for ways to make their team better--whether that's now, or a few years down the line.
For that reason, I will be approving the trade as a manager in the league.
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You are literally the best commissioner I've ever had. Really appreciate the time you put in here. Thanks Jordan!
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As many have stated, many folks go over limits to acquire players and then cut after auctions are finished. Since DG had multiple transactions that were being juggled (Altuve, trade with Mashers), I don't take issue with how things have played out. Also, while these rosters are illegal, lineups are totally locked; in this specific instance, I find that to be "punishment" enough.
As a matter of personal opinion, while I can see why some would take issue, I do believe the tr
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This includes multiple players in the *literal* first Ottoneu league ever created; folks who have been doing this for much longer than I have.
After long talks (I quite literally sat on a video call for 45 minutes about this, to be clear) the consensus among every person I consulted on the situation is that DG is justified in the moves made, and they are within the spirit of the game.
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Hi all,
This is quite the wall of text to walk back into. I appreciate everyone here who jumped in on the debate. While many of us disagree, I do find it encouraging that we have so many people who are invested in the league.
Now, while the manner in which DG manipulated their roster raised some red flags in my head when it was initially pointed out to me, I took the time to consult with some incredibly seasoned Ottoneu commissioners re: the series of moves.
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On a lighter note, I've gotta give Nevermind props for the use of the word 'pedantic'. That was pretty impressive; I'm going to try to drop it at work next week, lol.
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Everyone has said their piece. Some people disagree with you, including me. You don't need to question my honor or imply I don't like doing the right thing. We have different opinions about what went down. I don't think what I did was wrong or dishonorable, and I'm not going to make this personal or dogmatic to make my point.
This league is about having fun. The draft is the highlight of my year. Heck, I've even had fun with this discussion today. Let's keep it that way, yeah?
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I thought Ottoneu was about baseball knowledge — and ultimately having fun. A $600 top prize on $100 entry fee isn’t exactly life-changing! So call me old-fashioned, but I still believe in doing the right thing and a sense of honor. Even if you don’t buy into such things, there’s a difference between “gaming the system” and blatant rule-breaking. The second Miranda was dropped but no one else was, this was a case of “knowingly” breaking them. How is that acceptable? Anyone?
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I think Diamond was knowingly trying to gain an advantage and game the system. However, aren’t we all? I’m not sure that’s cheating. This is America, you have to find those loop holes to gain financial advantage lol!
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As far as Altuve, I had the second highest bid. $1 less than what I had available plus the money I would gain in cutting Seranthony, which would have been my corresponding cut. I would have knowingly gone over the salary cap, however I had a roster cut ready to go if I won the bid that would have put me under the cap. I think making the bid on Altuve without any definitive way to get under the cap besides a trade straddles the line of what is fair play.
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Okay wow, I’m finally caught up on the dialogue. My opinion on this trade and every trade is as long as there isn’t collusion, do what you want. If you want to trade Acuna for a loogy, that’s on you. In a keeper league with salary cap, you are going to have some uneven trades
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Thanks for the feedback deGrims.
And I'm going to echo 7th Inning's comment... no matter what side of these two issues you fall on, it is great to see soo many engaged team owners. The league is fun (would be better for me if I could figure out a better strategy, lol), so lets keep this rolling...
Owners, I still have $67 cash and some tradable assets. If you've got a highly touted MiLB prospect or even young MLBer, lets talk!
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Man, I wish I could have that one back. Wish y'all had vetoed that one for me.
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For context, I sent DG $4 for Francisco Alverez last year. Markets change, etc.
And thoughts & prayers to the commish having to read through all this and make a call!
Duran Duran on
May 12, 2023 2:12 PM
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Mashers, no issue here with the way you’re building your team. You've got some nice pieces. The veto was based on my read of this particular trade and the context of it. Not arguing fwiw, just explaining my rational.
Duran Duran on
May 12, 2023 2:00 PM
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Dear Commissioner,
On behalf of the league, I sincerely apologize for all the posts we left you to read.
Best,
Diamond "DG" Girl
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For the record, I think the question of “should DG have been required to make additional cuts to make his roster legal at some point before the trade kicked in 23 hours after the successful Altuve bid / are DG’s actions here in line with spirit of the rules, fair play and how we want this league to be?” is an entirely different one to “is the trade too lopsided and veto-worthy?” And I would argue that we should be focusing on that first question.
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Honestly been great to see the discussion & all the perspectives. The passionate responses make clear that everyone cares deeply about the league.
Don't agree on all points. I think vetoes should be used when trades appear really uneven. It's not a slight. Everyone can use their own judgment. That's why we're asked to approve/veto & getting a majority is a tall order. Also, the order of operations should be respected.
I'm interested to hear the commish. Really do thin
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I don't see trading away a #3 type SP who is not performing well (4.74 ERA, 4.41 FIP) and a loan (adding high ceiling MiLB players, via loans and whatnot, was my strategy) for a top 5 prospect as an issue. I've got the free money. I don't need Cortez and his 2 wins. From my perspective, this is exactly what I should be doing to rebuild.
Anyone can disagree with the trade, thats their right, but to VETO it.... I just don't see it. Disappointing. Looking forward to commish.
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Arthurian, I'm in the same boat too, but to say my team is underperforming may actually be too generous of a statement. My team is horrible, lol. Fortunately, I made a trade which, imo, should help me going forward. Unfortunately, I've got at least 1 VETO against my RIGHT to build my team the way I see fit.
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Yeah. I definitely don't think anyone intended to skirt rules or misinterpret, either. I would say something similar about a situation where someone was about to get put on the 60 IL and I had just won an auction that put me over roster spots, I think I would have to cut someone to make my roster legal. I don't think it's fair to just wait a couple days until the person gets 60 ILed. But it's open to interpretation. Agree with Nevermind that the real issue here is our underperforming teams. :)
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Also, I love playing in this league too (although my team is absolute dog water this year and I feel like I have no goddamn clue what I'm doing anymore) so I hope an edge case like this isn't something we focus too hard on and can move on amicably!
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He made a move to adjust for the cap change, it just hasn’t processed yet. Simple as that in my mind. Strategically trying to win and going against the spirit seem to be divided by a very thin line, and at this point I agree it's up to the commissioner.
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