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I don’t see abandoning my team/this league over this matter as a viable option. In life, no matter what realm you’re “playing” in, there will always be conflict and problems. Confronting and handling them is the only path forward. Running away solves nothing. I’m 100% on board for 2019. As a league, let’s address this and move forward. We will all forget about it in 6 weeks anyway
Sox on
December 30, 2018 7:40 PM
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Clearly with Rose and Viva, there were 6 vetoes of the trade. Commish clearly the league thought it an error, you should probably undo. That said, that it’s come to this, I’ve decided not to continue with this league... please find another owner for my team.
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Also, a trade should never be vetoed unless there is evidence of collusion. No matter what you think of the players involved
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Agreed Viva. Tough spot. Can honestly see both sides to the argument. Would have vetoed, but forgot, so that's on me as well. Not like that one vote would have made a difference though.
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And I should say, your veto didn't work ☺️
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Or I should say, what makes you think I didn’t veto? 🙂
Sox on
December 30, 2018 7:31 PM
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I think going forward, requiring 7 approval votes should be enough to capture most mistakes. It doesn’t sit well with me the commish didn’t intervene. I think we need honest commitment going forward. If we lose 1776 because of this, that’s bad enough. To pretend this didn’t happen might lose more teams as well.
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How do you know I didn’t veto?
Sox on
December 30, 2018 7:30 PM
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A trade was offered to me and I accepted it. You had ample time to veto. You didn't. Maybe in the future instead of bitching you should do better
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IMHO, no “rule change” is going to solve this or a similar situation in the future. What IS in order is an honest dialogue about the precedent this trade sets, for better or for worse, for the long term viability of the league. To fail to recognize that this is not a black and white topic is highly problematic; it is very much shades of gray.
Sox on
December 30, 2018 7:26 PM
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I for one would not be vetoing due to the lopsidedness of the trade. Although it's clearly the worst that's gone through on here and there have been some doozies. I generally don't care how other teams want to run their rosters and won't veto unless you could somehow prove two teams were colluding. I'd veto due to the clear fact that 1776 never meant to offer the trade in the first place and did so due to clicking on the wrong button.
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Great you guys can all have a vote for a rule change now. Retroactively just doesn't cut it.
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It is tough to stomach a transaction where 1 of the 2 parties involved literally gets nothing out of the deal while the other team benefits immensely. To be beyond fair, the “nothing” in this instance is not subjective in any way. Quite literally, 1776 sent 2 valuable players to Team Pratt while Pratt cleared $87 in payroll for ZERO return. I struggle to see the logic and don’t expect any form of “explanation” could change that
Sox on
December 30, 2018 7:15 PM
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I was one of the owners who forgot to veto who would have vetoed. I guess I kinda assumed the commish would veto the trade manually as it was pretty obvious to me that it was user error with the interface by 1776. It's not like 1776 offered the trade, thought about it for a day and then decided he didn't want to do it. Pretty sure he responded within 10 minutes of the trade going through.
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Trout you also can't seem to comprehend that abstaining votes usually mean people have no problem worth the trade going through. An abstain is just as good as an approval. They just don't hit the approve button
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@Pratt, you are adult enough to understand Xmas affects everyone, while your birthday does not? If there was a single trade where your veto would have undone it, I would support you. But there wasn’t this year.
@Commish, 1 for, 4 against, 7 abstaining... clearly a reason to enforce voting in 2019 on all trades, so confusion like this doesn’t occur.
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I wasn't able to vote on trades during the summer because it was my birthday. I also want those trades vetoed as well then
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@Pratt, that’s a strawman... some people were inactive because of Xmas.
@Commish, at worst, let everyone vote on the trade on the board and undo then. I’d hate to lose another team because of abstaining votes.
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Does it really matter what you think? There was a veto process. Mistake or not he's the one who offered the trade. Should be more careful in the future.
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I’m in agreement with Inglorious, it smells like an operational error. Commish please undo.
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Lol what? How does that make any sense? Are we just going to change the number of vetoes deemed worthy for every trade now?
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4/5 votes were to veto the trade, it seems mostly clear that the trade occurred in error. Why not just reverse the move?
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The ottoneu system has the trade logged as proposed by 1776, I can see this in commissioners view.
1776, can you explain what you mean ?
Are you claiming user or system error on the trade ?
BeachBoys on
December 28, 2018 3:14 PM
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That trade was actually proposed to me by 1776 and I have the email verification to prove it
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I did not accept that trade. I countered it with Forrest Whitley. If it goes through I will not be back.
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Clogging Up The Bases's trade block has been updated!
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Rode's Team's trade block has been updated!
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Joe Buck Yourself's trade block has been updated!
Karn Kids on
December 21, 2018 10:01 PM
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Fisher's trade block has been updated!
wOBA Fett on
December 21, 2018 11:02 AM
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Joe Buck Yourself's trade block has been updated!
Karn Kids on
December 20, 2018 8:03 PM
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Matt’s Team's trade block has been updated!
BeachBoys on
December 20, 2018 12:50 PM
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Inglorious Batsters's trade block has been updated!
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Wow, that was quick. Thought it was going to take a lot longer to find a sucker to take on that team! Lol, welcome to the league!
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Doug’s team has a new owner. New to Ottoneu but experienced in 5x5. Welcome to the league !
BeachBoys on
December 16, 2018 8:43 PM
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Team Pratt's trade block has been updated!
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Doug is booted, I emailed several folks with the link to abandoned team.
Hopefully have a new owner in a day or so.
BeachBoys on
December 15, 2018 12:20 PM
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Khris. F you auto correct.
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Looking to move Kari’s Davis.
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I support replacement ASAP
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I’m on board with that plan
Sox on
December 14, 2018 4:45 PM
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I sent a message, still unread, after arbitration was over on November 15. Want to make sure the process is agreed with league and doesn’t seem frivolous. But to me, he meets the inactive owner criteria.
BeachBoys on
December 14, 2018 4:34 PM
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I'm assuming you've tried to message him with no success? I assume he's checked out, so as long as an attempt has been made to get a hold of him, I'm fine with finding a new owner. I agree that it should be done as soon as possible.
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Anyone oppose getting a new owner for Doug? Want to ensure new owner has time to trade and think through cuts. The period of inactivity has been quite long.
BeachBoys on
December 14, 2018 3:18 PM
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Clogging Up The Bases's trade block has been updated!
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Inglorious Batsters's trade block has been updated!
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Clogging Up The Bases's trade block has been updated!
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Tim Wakefields's trade block has been updated!
Big Potato on
December 11, 2018 12:25 PM
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Vivalarevolución's trade block has been updated!
Sox on
December 10, 2018 9:30 PM
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Inglorious Batsters's trade block has been updated!
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Matt’s Team's trade block has been updated!
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December 10, 2018 9:21 PM
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