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Now for the short answer: yes. When the difference is that large, you should cut.
R.O.U.S. on
January 27, 2016 4:45 PM
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Good Q. I have looked at the surplus calc. Remember it is based on projections. The only guarantee with projections is that they are wrong. They are great for large scale averages, but are pretty much guaranteed to be wrong at the individual level. So you have to ask yourself whether you agree with the projection. The $ should not be taken as gospel. They are an estimate.
R.O.U.S. on
January 27, 2016 4:44 PM
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Sorry for the noob question but has anyone else used the surplus calculator? Should I cut everyone who I have that I don't have surplus value on? For example, Carlos Gonzales is valued at $22 but I have him for $37. Should I cut him?
AKA Big Papi on
January 27, 2016 4:38 PM
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Wow, didn't think I'd be getting this much "excitement" in a ottoneu league. Thanks for taking care of it for all of us.
Algae Pressing on
January 27, 2016 11:51 AM
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Thanks commish for taking care of it. I saw on slack that it looks like the same guy struck multiple leagues.
AKA Big Papi on
January 27, 2016 10:12 AM
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A couple of gracious members of the ottoneu community offered to claim the two teams (you know which two) temporarily so that Grimm couldn't. I've got to find real owners to replace them. Thanks go to them. I'll send more out tonight, but I have work to do...
R.O.U.S. on
January 27, 2016 9:14 AM
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Biogenesis Brawlers's trade block has been updated!
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Well, Grimm strikes again. I guess he is happy with himself. I'll rebuild the teams again tomorrow. I'll need to find owners first just to keep him out.
R.O.U.S. on
January 27, 2016 1:54 AM
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Well, there went an hour of my life that I'll never get back. I think I correctly reconstructed both teams. I was very careful. Now to find real owners...
R.O.U.S. on
January 27, 2016 12:03 AM
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One of the guys claimed each team, cut all the players then left. I can undo it all but it will take me some time. Then, I'll publicize his actions and report it all to Niv. Sigh.
R.O.U.S. on
January 26, 2016 7:01 PM
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But yeah if those players can be put back on their teams they should be
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No, I think the guy who owned both those teams decided to come back and sabotage the teams. It was the same user who claimed and then abandoned the teams after cutting all their players. The owner's name was Grimm
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Yeah you have to put those guys back.
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I'm ok worth your decision but who cut all those players? Was it a last ditch attempt at defiance or did you cut them? My feeling is they should be put back on their respective teams.
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Soo that just happened.
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I apologize if anyone feels that I'm acting too rashly or harshly. I feel that I'm acting in the best interest of the league. Feel free to ask me any questions.
R.O.U.S. on
January 26, 2016 5:01 PM
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Folks, I've made a difficult decision. I didn't like it, but here it is. I've canceled the trades involving Rookie Player and removed the owner from the league. I've also removed the owner of Knights of the Shadow. I had some grounds to suspect collusion. I was not able to get anything close to satisfactory answers to my (rather direct) questions. In fact, I didn't get much of any response at all. I decided it was better to act now than have to do this in-season.
R.O.U.S. on
January 26, 2016 5:00 PM
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....whoops. I'll reserve ranting for a few more hours.
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Vetos aren't counted until the 48 hrs expires on the trade. It doesn't matter yet how many have or have not vetoed.
R.O.U.S. on
January 26, 2016 4:04 PM
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Wow, people still haven't vetoed that fuckery? Pathetic.
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Rats. The link didn't paste right. Let's try this again: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PY7SPFZ
R.O.U.S. on
January 26, 2016 12:32 AM
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Please take this survey about the auction: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PY7SPFZ. Also, I have an expectation that everyone will renew their team for the year before the auction. I don't think that is unreasonable.
R.O.U.S. on
January 26, 2016 12:31 AM
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Yeah it's amazing, almost like I can put aside emotion to stay logical and improve my team.
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Goldy just made a trade with rookie. Now that is hilarious.
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IDK where you're getting your fucked up values, but only a couple of those guys are cuts. The main guys on slack made a surplus value calculator, maybe you should start there, because your numbers are way the fuck off.
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Okay Goldy - I wanna see you cut Heyward / Prado / Peralta / Gallo / Aoki / Coghlan / S. Smith / Travis / Maybin / Holt / T. Ross / Matz / Cingrani / Capps and Sipp... because they all are are valued more than the projected value... Frankly, I doubt you cut them all like you stated you will...
Zissou on
January 25, 2016 2:53 AM
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But again, if you can't understand that, go back to public Yahoo leagues.
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You might be givingup more total points, but at a much larger cost. ALL of those players should be cut to reauction at lower value, becase they're being paid more then they're worth.
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Yes, I"m going to cut him. Anyone who costs more than their projected value is getting cut. If you don't o that, you lack a fundamental understanding of how this game works.
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Goldy, you have Heyward at $39, yet he's valued at $29 - will you be dropping him, and how about other players on your team, and all those opposed to the trade in question, are you all willing to cut your "overvalued" players based on a dollar amount Ottoneu projected them to be??? This trade helps BOTH sides, and that's the meaning of a "fair" trade.. Not their dollar amount, but what value they do to the team acquiring them. Let's check out all teams and have them cut ev
Zissou on
January 25, 2016 2:30 AM
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Just because someone is stupid in your other league doesn't justify stupidity elesewhere.
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Would I make this trade? No, but that's not the question. The questions are do both teams give up a proportional amount and is there a purpose to the trade. I say yes. Rookie gave his purpose: he wants be become relevant this year and to do that he sacrificed Sano. And really to me Sano is the only player of this bunch I see as a major loss. In my other league Miggy is a $76 dollar player, and with inflation the way it is in these leagues he could easily go for mid 60's again if he became a FA.
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*indefensibly
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I don't give a fuck that Cabrera is the highest producer, his salary makes him a negative value. This trade is indensibly bad, and I'm shocked that some people are actually trying to defend it.
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The player who will score the most points next year, by far, is Miggy. Baez is a high risk player and while Sano is a good value at 14 he's not vastly undervalued and is no guarantee either due to his high swing and miss problem. Forsythe? Do you really completely believe in his year last year? I'm not super confident in it.
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No, there is no argument for one side. Everyone except Wong should be cut, and he's a marginal value at best. Meanwhile 3 of the 5 on the other side are good values. Especially Sano, who projects as a $21 surplus at that price. It's fucking awful.
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One side gave up his useful below market value players for overpriced players who should probably all be cut at those prices.
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If you think that's fair, you have no idea how to value shit.
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You can veto the trade if you wish, but why do you think it is unfair? I know who I think the trade benefits more, but I can put up an argument for both sides.
R.O.U.S. on
January 24, 2016 6:43 PM
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A $65 Cabrera should not be kept by anyone, nor should anyone else on that side, except maybe Wong.
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"Not too much young talent" you gave up a $14 Sano.
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I don't think it's super unfair either way. If Rookie plans to keep Miggy then he gets an elite hitter while not giving up to much in young talent.
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its fair, it gives me a team plus a lot of cap space to fill out the rest. there's not enough good free agents to bid on that would have gotten me a better team, this trade gets me way better than the shape i was in.
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Yeah, in no way is that fair
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That is a truly horrible trade.
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Knights of the Shadow's trade block has been updated!
Zissou on
January 24, 2016 3:48 AM
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Biogenesis Brawlers's trade block has been updated!
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Biogenesis Brawlers's trade block has been updated!
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Knights of the Shadow's trade block has been updated!
Zissou on
January 20, 2016 1:27 AM
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Biogenesis Brawlers's trade block has been updated!
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