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It's unfortunate but self inflicted. I tend to agree with Mudville here- you sap out any competitive motives if you don't have rules or allow teams to bend them.
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It should be noted that Chance's roster is being heavily depleted through the extraordinary cuts he's had to make to become compliant. As a result, his roster is barely functional. This is a clear punishment set by having to become compliant. Nevertheless, it is inherently bad that an owner can collect points while being over cap. This is an issue with Ottoneu and separate from this situation as I believe Chance is trying to become compliant, but through poor a poor process.
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I have limited resources to punish owners for these actions. The biggest tool I have is cutting players off of teams-which is troublesome because I'm making uncomfortable player decisions Still, I'm waiting until the waivers go through today-as a point, I did put a claim to both Ruiz and Pratto-I haven't sat down and done the math to see how this affects Chance's salary. I will give this until the claim deadline passes today and then make a decision on what can be our next steps.
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Commish gave him until the start of today's game to make his roster legal. It has to happen before then.
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117 hours and still has an illegal roster hoping for others to bail him out.
I was already on the fence about continuing Ottoneu next year, this is the sign I needed for me to decide that this will be my last year in this league at least. I joined Ottoneu to have active owners and a set of rules I liked and others followed which until now every other owner in my two leagues have followed those rules.
If anyone wants any of my younger players make offers now.
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Full rule I.c. At no time shall a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits. If a team knowingly does this, they will face penalties at the discretion of their league's commissioner.
You can have other penalties placed on you at Shot's discretion. Being locked by Ottoneu is the bare minimum the site can do.
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(cont) get legal in all my years playing Ottoneu.
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Rule I.c At no time shall a team willingly go over roster and salary cap limits.
I normally wouldn't care too much but you're the 3rd place team trying to get a player that might make a difference later this season onto your roster by being in clear violation of the rules. The rule isn't to slow play things and hope people bail you out. You willingly went over and should have had a plan to get legal right away. I've never seen a team take more than 48 hours and 1 round of cuts to g
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Thank you for the clarity in your decision making. It should be noted this interpretation of the Ottoneu rule is my least favorite. I'm uninterested in constitutions or rule amendments though. I have too many guitars to play and bourbons to drink. Thanks for addressing the league on the board.
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I don't mind it too much so long as you continue to progress towards a compliant roster. But we're waiting to pick up your players until you've dropped the maximum (that and they're mediocre options). Drop Arozarena and I'll promise to auction him off ;)
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I'm not just sitting around - I'm dropping players and hoping someone else claims them before dropping more than I might need to. I'll get legal and until then my penalty is not being able to participate in auctions or trades and not being able to manage my roster. I've already missed a handful of games played and starts as a result. If the league agrees to an additional penalty I'll abide it but it can't just be one guy complaining.
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Ha! No, it’s fairly straightforward. Take your crap back to New Zealand!
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This all sounds subjective, we need to create a constitution
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He's $17 over the cap. He needs $1 per roster spot under 40. He currently has 33 players so needs $7 for those spots. So he has to drop a $36 player or 2 that equal $38 to be compliant. He's not particularly close.
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Update-I DM’d Chance this morning. He has until the beginning games on Tuesday or else I’ll bench his roster until he complies with the rules. I absolutely hate to do this, but the rules are there to be enforced…eventually. Thanks for your help.
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I contacted Chance and he has dropped down to $10 over the cap. I’d prefer doing these types of messages over DM as to not invoke the mob. However, be aware that his roster must be valid in order to continue playing without my intervention. Thanks for your patience.
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Don't be a Josh. We need a strong commish
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Maybe Chance will have a legal roster by the end of the month at this rate. It's been like 80 hours since his roster became illegal. Should we bench his players til he's legal? Force him to drop Harper? Ottoneu rules states penalties are up to the commissioner for going over the cap and not fixing it, rule I.c.
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Unfortunately it looks like 11th and 10th bailed out months ago
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Has Not Hot Mess packed it in for the year after their sick Harper win
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League is up and running. Please check your rosters and salaries. Good luck. Send me any questions and comments about the season.
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Our auctions will be finished by this evening. Thanks to everyone for getting it finished. I feel the auction is a nice distraction from work-I hope it was for you. I have updated rosters to reflect completed auctions in the past 24 hours. Again, check prices, rosters, etc. I will do a last update when today's auctions are finished. I will shut the auction down after I have completed that task and everyone has checked for errors. Please check my work.
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I gave those that need more nominations an extra 2 nominations. I also decreased the auction times to 6 hours for initial auction and 4 hours for redrafts. I'll evaluate on Wednesday how I can adjust further.
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Beginning tomorrow morning, we will be down to 3 owners in need to finish their draft. I'm going to increase the number of nominations to those 3 players while considerably lowering the nomination times. I'd like to finish this draft by the middle of the week.
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Thanks commish! Great job getting that taken care of quickly. Welcome Toope!
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Hey everyone-Toope is now included in the auction room. I've restarted the auction. Thanks for everyone's patience.
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OK. We have a new owner for Short Stack. Troope has joined us. Once I've finished the couch manager switch, I'll let everyone know and we can resume the auction.
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It's actually not that bad, he's only got like $2/guy.
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I think this is the right call. Thanks commish- not an easy decision.
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Totally okay with pausing though my preference is to keep going. We could have four+ teams finish tomorrow, and I doubt this gets fixed before Monday. It's practically all leftovers at this point. New team should definitely have a shot before draft ends though.
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I went ahead and paused the auction. I believe there is just enough uncertainty. Give me time to fit the new owner into the league (or short stack returns) and then get it going again. Saturday night is not the best time to do any of this-so, sorry. I want the league to run as correctly as possible.
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Hey-I received contact from a potential new owner to potentially replace Short Stack. As of now, I haven't heard anything from Short Stack whether he's in or out. I'm a little stuck right now. Part of me wants to pause the auction, figure out the new owner, and then restart the auction. I've contacted Mike @ Couch Managers to help, and we'll see what happens. Thoughts?
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I just completed the roster update from the past 36 hours of drafting. Again, please check for errors.
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I DM'd Short Stack this afternoon letting him know that I'm actively looking for a new owner unless he confirms that he wants to be a part of the league going forward. The last thing I want to do is cost someone $20, but I'm also aware that shit happens in all our lives that distract us from fantasy baseball, so hopefully he's doing fine and can continue. If not, I'm going to look to replace him ASAP.
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No worries! Thank you for putting this together. Short Stack really brought that Short Stack energy, and that's too bad. How do we want to handle the open roster spots? 15 open roster spots may be a tough takeover, but adding 15 $1 guys or best 15 left over doesn't seem equitable either. Let's have a season boys and girls!
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The Short Stack thing is worrisome. I'll give it another day and then I'll suspend his draft...which sucks. Nothing much we can do about it though. Better news-I updated the rosters. Only Seiya Suzuki cannot be added to rosters. Judge-I'll DM you, but remind me to add him before opening day (just count the $13 cap hit). Check rosters, salaries, etc for errors.
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So is "short stack" out? He's not logged into the auction in almost two days. That would be a bummer.
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Could everyone use their nominations and pass buttons :)
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will you guys take my rubles for the pot?
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No one wants your Australian $$$! Hahahaha
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keen for a 1k buyin
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OK. As stated in an earlier post, I want this to be 100% unanimous. I believe we've fostered a pretty active league. I'd like to think I've tried to keep the line moving for folks that don't want to be active in the league. With all of your help, I believe we've created a nice competitive league. To that end, I hate to lose owners if I feel like they CAN compete well, so I hope Short Stack continues with us-I think you will find that we're cheap fun. In the meantime, keep the auction going!
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I’m not interested in a money league either.
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I'm not interested in doing a money league.
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I added an additional nomination to everyone's auction. Happy drafting!
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There are lots of leagues in the "free" tier in Ottoneu that do money outside of Ottoneu. I'd be open to something like that, but considering this is a weird year with lockout and kind of last minute change it'd need to be a low $ amount or just the decision now to do this with next season so everyone knows what they are getting into.
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Sorry if I'm not understanding something but didn't you know this was not a money league when you joined? If you thought there was a high risk of people abandoning their teams because of the fact that they may be missing out on potentially winning a few hundred bucks then why did you join? Again, am I missing something here?
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So you’d leave if we don’t go to a money league?
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I guess I wonder how we incentivize everyone to check? Finances are always tough, no doubt about it. Never wanna pressure people into throwing money in. But I’ve been in 2 other leagues with $40-$50 put in, no one has left the league in 7-years and hardly ANY of us know each other. Payment is through venmo or paypal. I love fantasy so much, but I don’t think I want to play if there’s not incentive to check since I’m already in 2 other leagues. Appreciate any and all thoughts on this! Thank you
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A little context. Short Stack asked me about turning this into a money league earlier today. I told him to bring it up to the league. I don't necessarily mind, but there's uncertainty baked into this change. Who collects the money? How is the money distributed? Etc. I don't mind changing our policy here, but it comes with some drawbacks as well. Please discuss it openly with the league. I would personally require a 100% approval to change as everyone is locked into this season.
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