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Arbitration is now open.
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Looks like inflation ($2) has now been applied.
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Thank you for voting - no owner received 7 votes, so everyone will be eligible to return for 2017. Anyone planning NOT to return for next season? Please let us know now.
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10 of 12 owners have voted - get your votes in so we can finalize and begin discussing 2017.
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Here is the most important vote of the year (sorry, not sorry): https://goo.gl/forms/izFFYQY4lMQmtOeZ2
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League, this is the league vote which polices our league. Please take this seriously and thoroughly consider the entire year's worth of engagement from your fellow Bull Durham owners. After all owners have voted, I will tally the results and share them with Trey and he will announce the results.
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We can certainly discuss but for the most part I don't see it as a problem here and our "umbrella" vote off rule should cover it. Can bring it up for a vote this winter though. Hope to send out the vote off ballots tomorrow if possible.
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I understand. Let's just say I'm not sure I have faith that Niv will come to a solution from a technical standpoint and I claimed Stanton before that conversation happened. I think we should have something written in the bylaws specifically mentioning this issue. But, that's why I bring it up. For discussion with this league.
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This topic is being discussed heavily here: http://community.ottoneu.com/t/cracking-down-on-illegal-lineups-in-2017/604
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Because having an illegal roster means nothing to a non-competing team. I could have claimed someone 2 months ago and stayed illegal. I suppose I would be voted out of the league, but for something like this, I don't think people should be allowed to do it just because of the end of the season. I don't know how to fix it, but I think it's a problem worth discussing.
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Unless I am wrong, I think Sunflower has the only illegal roster as of now...
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When do rosters need to be legalized? That is the only issue I see. In my opinion, they should all be legal as soon as season has ended...
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Why is it a problem that you could claim Stanton? My understanding is that it was because Niv extended the season one extra day.
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I'll be cutting him, but wanted to claim him to talk about it with the league.
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p.s. I think it's bullshit that I was able to claim Stanton. I think we should talk about that as a rule we place in our bylaws regardless of what Niv decides to do programmatically.
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Inflation should be applied Friday ($2). Brian has been nice enough to create our league voting form and I will send it out tomorrow. Arbitration begins 10/15.
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Ah damn that sucks was just going by lineup pages didn't check.
Caimans 🐊 on
October 3, 2016 6:20 PM
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No game tonite
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Will be interesting to see Miggy hit 5 HRs tonight and give Greg the come from behind win.
Caimans 🐊 on
October 3, 2016 1:30 PM
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Bill P: Can you send $200 to me and $200 to Greg via PayPal? Thanks for being treasurer. That's $50 to Jed and you keep $30, too (4th place).
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I don't know if receiving credit for IP > 1,500 yesterday was a glitch or not, but I'm very comfortable sharing the $300 with Greg since it was so close and we'll never really know. Disappointing our closest season comes down to this issue, so I'll lobby this winter for Niv to make IP and GP limits air tight next year. Imagine this league being involved in Ottoneu controversy...
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Although certainly not disputing Strikes was the better team this season - won with 150 less AB and 2 less IP. Would've been a shame to see the best team lose because of a lineup decision on 2nd to last day too.
Caimans 🐊 on
October 2, 2016 9:48 PM
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I'm sorry, seems pretty clear to me system is broken and Greg should have won. Congrats to both teams on a great season for sure, was very fun to watch, but I don't think coding glitches should determine our champion.
Caimans 🐊 on
October 2, 2016 9:40 PM
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Yes. magnificent season by both Trey and Greg. Looked like the Durham Tobacconists dynasty had it locked up a month ago, but Lucky Strikes stormed back with that $900 roster or whatever. That was well earned. Great job. Hail to the new champion of Bull Durham League! Cant wait to get this offseason underway!
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The Syndicate 💣's trade block has been updated!
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Lucky Strikes 🍀's trade block has been updated!
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Great season, what a close race...congrats Strikes...
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And if we're going with a strict interpretation of the rules, how are we going to account for the games played above 162/810? That's plainly illegal by the letter of the law but allowed because of more sloppy programming.
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You don't have to guess at Niv's intent given that two weeks ago he said "Any day after you hit (or exceed) 1500 IP, your team will not get credit for any innings pitched."
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I'm up by roughly 50 points going into today. If I somehow win by more than that due to the IP, I am happy splitting the 1st place prize with Greg. Like I said, I don't want this to be controversial.
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I thought hitting 1,500 would be the cap, but then I went back to read it and if I do get IP points today, the coding seems to support the way the rule is written. I will be disappointed if this comes down to a technicality but it looks like that's where we are. No idea if Niv's original intent but sounds like he'll try to either tighten the rule or coding next year to clarify what happens in this situation.
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Also seems pretty clear from your comment yesterday that wasn't how you understood the rules as recently as last night.
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Seems pretty clear from Niv's comments that wasn't his actual intention.
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"iv. The innings maximum is a soft cap, meaning on the day a team goes over the 1500 IP limit, all the pitchers played that day will receive credit."
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Correct. Unfortunately it seems like Niv doesn't know how to program well enough to enforce the rules.
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I'm confused - Strikes hit the inning cap last night, right?
Caimans 🐊 on
October 2, 2016 12:39 PM
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I took a risk leaving in four RP today. If those four manage to throw more than 4 IP my season is over. And now I see Jansen in the 8th so I'm nervous...
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That is garbage
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"If you don't visit certain parts of the site AND you are at 162 games, you will get a 163rd game. There are multiple checks for if you are at the game limit, and if you avoid them by happenstance then the final check has a ">" instead of a ">="."
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On game limits: http://community.ottoneu.com/t/game-limits-not-enforced/550/19
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Could happen, but the incoming loan structure would have to be changed. A team at $400 can rarely (always exceptions) compete with a team at $600++
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I'm not sure if will ever be accomplished, but this game (Ottoneu) would be incredible if 4-5 teams were in race like this each and every season.
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I think those guys have some potential for next season though so I'm gonna go drop some $12 bids on them.
Caimans 🐊 on
September 30, 2016 2:55 PM
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Agreed - I'd never seen it before this season, and now I'm seeing it in all three leagues, although none as close as this one has been.
Caimans 🐊 on
September 30, 2016 2:55 PM
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Thank you for not doing the "Greg's gonna win by a few hundred and I'm just trying to make it interesting at the end" bit
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If you had told me in June that the season could potentially come down to the last minute bidding on Colin McHugh and Ian Kennedy, I'd have told you you were crazy. No idea how this will play out, but nice to have some meaningful "games" here at the end of the season for once.
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Perhaps a discussion left for Slack, but I wonder what the effects would be of juts having P spots in the lineup. A lot more RP use, I would suspect, but I would imagine that would have some interesting market effects on all P, no?
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I just keep the RP's there this week because they are the only guys I have left to play. Makes them easier to see/interchange. They don't score unless in the RP slot.
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There is no functional purpose, it's just an indication of a pitcher's role and is probably an artifact of the way things used to work with defined SP/RP eligibility.
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Every pitcher is eligible for SP and RP slots, but only score points when they are actually used in that role (RP placed at SP do not score points unless they actually start the game).
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