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Agree. Surprised DBacks wanted Didi mover ACab, and surprised they dealt Bauer. Looking forward to seeing Choo mash in Cincy though...that team is stacked.
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seriously. Apparently they really sour on guys. Wonder where Upton goes.
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Seems like the d bags sold pretty low on Bauer
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Probably a stopgap until Hamilton can get there.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 9:48 PM
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Choo's defense has been declining supposedly, is he really going to play CF?
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Bauer going to the Indians. Blah for me. Great job for Indians.
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There are a few teams in this league with just insane offenses right now. Pitching might not even matter if they can afford to keep them intact.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 8:14 PM
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I'm not suggesting they let him walk, I think they should trade him for someone like Jackie Bradley immediately. They're just being boneheaded and asking too much for him.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:23 PM
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Dude, paying millions to a 39-year-old is inherently risky.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:21 PM
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And fwiw I had problems with Cameron's attempts to reason non-statistically long before he supported Nate Silver, whatever that means.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:15 PM
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Because letting him walk and getting nothing - be it an underpaid pitcher or a prospect - is not how to rebuild.
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well like I said from my perspective it isn't a "worth" issue, it's question of whether the Mets think they can get more in trade by extending him, or by trading him unextended, or in draft comp - the certainty is they won't have him when they next conten
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I'm trying to think of one good reason why a rebuilding team would be scared straight when a 38-year-old tells them "pay me or I'll walk."
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:13 PM
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He's not demanding a big money contract. 2/$25 is not a large or particularly risky contract.
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The argument of what Dickey "deserves" or is "worth" is purely a statistical argument with zero understanding of economics or market forces.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:12 PM
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He's worth what the market will pay him. Unfortunately for him, the market for his 2013 services is rather limited.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:08 PM
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I'm sorry, that's just dumb.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:07 PM
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The one-year wonder thing was the title of the article. The thrust of it was "And, in Dickey?s case, worth the contract he?s asking for. Just stop lowballing him and pay the man. He?s earned it."
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:07 PM
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Dickey has never finished in the top 25 in FIP- in his life. Not a one-year wonder, but again....demanding big money for his age 39 and 40(!!!) seasons. On what planet is that a demand that a front office should cave to?
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:05 PM
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I trust Cameron on the statistical side, but he has an odd understanding of economics.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 7:01 PM
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I think the thrust of Cameron's article was more addressing this idea that RA Dickey is a one year wonder (which he isn't) but looking at his results over the past 3 years rather than saying he's Price or whomever
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And talent aside, who in their right mind extends a pitcher beyond his age 38 season? I mean come on. Cameron's article was moronic, bringing the high god Nate Silver into the discussion doesn't change that.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 6:56 PM
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Blanton's salary was set by an open market -- there is no open market driving up Dickey's salary. He is signed.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 6:54 PM
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It's pretty facile to say "R.A. Dickey is better than Joe Blanton therefore he 'deserves' more than Joe Blanton.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 6:53 PM
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Saying Dickey deserves more than Jeremy Guthrie is all well and good, but he was a free agent. Dickey isn't. So there is no market dictating that the Mets have to pay him X amount to keep him.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 6:53 PM
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And the "Dickey deserves X" argument is meaningless because he IS UNDER CONTRACT. How does a player under contract at age 38 have leverage?
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 6:51 PM
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seems like a lot of people are baffled as to how to evaluate his next few years despite his recent success
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so the question is whether he's more tradeable extended, or just take his pick comp when he walks?
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(correct me if I'm wrong Mets fans, I don't follow them that closely)
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But I guess from the Mets perspective, even if they extend him, he is not going to be in their rotation the next time they field a competitor
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Nate Silver? Dave Cameron? Not seeing the connection other than they're both smug assholes.
Eckfords ⚾ on
December 11, 2012 6:50 PM
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The way I see it, Dickey has the most leverage and his ask is not at all out of line. I don't understand what the Mets are doing.
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He has one year left at $5 million and has already said he'll walk if the Mets don't extend him this winter. The Mets seem to be content to get one cheap, inconsequential year from him
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I tend to agree too, though making him pitch for his contract is cheaper, and I wonder how robust the multi year contract market for him will be at 39 after the season, I mean he's not a FA right now right?
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I agree. Extending him at below-market terms seems to be without much risk. He'll maintain trade value.
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If they did, and IF Dickey pitched lights out again half way through the season, he'd have a lot more trade value than he does now. Don't see the Mets contending any time soon....
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I can't figure out why the Mets don't just extend him at 2 yrs 24 M and then decide whether not to keep or trade him.
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He's not making the case that we should treat Dickey like Price. He's making the case that Dickey deserves much more than a contract somewhere between Joe Blanton and Jeremy Guthrie, two terrible pitchers.
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Still salty over Cameron's support of Nate Silver, huh WAR?
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Lucky Strikes's trading block has been updated!
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Braun was tough to trade. If I find myself out of the race by the ASG, he's a pretty easy guy to sell for a rebuild
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lol. Timmy is honored and is packing on weight to make you proud
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*not
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the cap won't be an issue. I'm going to keep all the players currently on my roster.
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of course the Dodgers don't have to get under a cap by the end of Jan
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of course once Choo is traded to Cincy I may feel remorse somewhat. It's just hard to get 1100 pt players.
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obviously I'm taking the Dodgers approach to trying to compete in 2013...
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...all without adding salary. Now have my entire team for '13 except a SS, plus prospects, and still have $50 to spend in the draft. Should be fun...
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Absolutely planned to hold Braun but couldn't pass up the total point gain. Shoeless and had discussed the deal weeks ago but finally came together. I want to compete in '13, so traded a 1200 pt Braun for 900 pt Choo, 900 pr YoGa, and 400 pt RP.
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R.A. Dickey and David Price have both had three good MLB seasons, therefore R.A. Dickey is David Price. ROFL.
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December 11, 2012 5:19 PM
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