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I defintely agree though on one point -- if you can add the best RPs from 2012 and use their 2012 points totals this season you should do it, it helps
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we're just changing the goal posts
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i feel like none of my points are being refuted anywhere
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http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/what-should-you-do-with-rp-slots-in-points-leagues/#more-16753
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they averaged 48 IP and 397 points in 2012
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Here's the preseason top 10 from 2012 RPs: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/preview/y2012/
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The fact that there are wild variations among RP suggests the opposite - that there is great value in established closers and RP because they have skills and opportunity to keep and succeed in the job
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Your argument is that there are wild variations among RP, and when a good one emerges you will "jump" when they do. But when will you do it? In June? Like Jed has said before, there are only so many RP with opportunity for Saves & Holds.
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you're using the keepers for 2013 and the 2012 numbers for your RP arguments. I.e., ignoring all the data that suggests wild year over year fluctuation. Let's go see who was kept in the 2012 draft and look at 2012 numbers
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9 of those 62 RP are currently unowned
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Of the 35 RP that were kept going into the draft, they averaged 65 IP @ 7.8 P/IP (or 512 P/RP). Of the next 27 ranked RP (according to RotoWire). they are projected to average 63 IP @ 7.37 P/IP, or 468 P/RP
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and again, WAR -- 5 pitchers threw 9/IP. So I find it hard to believe that they're necessary, since at maximum 5 teams could have held them. I'm not sure it was impossible to win a title without one of those 5
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#6: your "Team B" seems to imply 4.75/IP is easy to find at SP -- 21 SPs did that last year
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#5 you seem to imply the remaining innings I get will be at 4.25/IP, when we've already seen there were 70 RPs scoring over 6/IP so if I want to I can get them later
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#4: you ignore the true cost of RPs, ie, what am I doing with the 7-8 spots most teams are spending on RPs, and the additional $$
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Saying things are impossible is a rather bold statement. I was simply stating that there certainly are possible scenarios whereby RP are not needed. Not sure that is BP's argument, but it is plausible, IMO.
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#3: you ignore the point I made about the variance of RPs
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#2: where do you get the "average" for P/IP for RPs? My suspicion is that you sorted the top however many? So by definition, you didn't include the guys who got demoted, got sent down, got bombed, got TJ etc
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It's not so much that you need relievers as it is you need 9 p/g pitchers. Unless all your starters can average 6 p/g.
Eckfords ⚾ on
March 13, 2013 6:50 PM
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(1) There were 12 pitchers who threw 215 innings, so this hypo with 5 SPs at 4.75 is crazy for a team that doesn't have a bunch of #1s
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in my opinion, many many flaws with your reasoning there, but a few:
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(I've been at home sick all day so I have nothing to do but argue about meaningless details like RP usage)
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RP are necessary because playing (guessing) the right matchup every time for every SP is impossible. Even Strasburg, Kershaw, Verlander, etc. get bombed every once in a while
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How are you going to play perfect matchups with guys like Pomeranz, Straily, and E. Ramirez when they can't pitch against their own teams?
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RP help avoid the need to have such precise SP matchups. I don't think they should be defined as NECESSARY, but they certainly help make it easier, IMO.
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That's a difference of 500 points, which is the difference between 1st and 2nd place. I'll take Team B all day. And keep in mind 215 IP from all 5 of your SP @ 5.65 P/IP is the pipedream scenario.
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Team B: 5 SP @ 215 IP x 4.75 P/IP = 5105 points + 425 (remaining IP out of 1500) x 7.5 P/IP (last year's RP avg P/IP) = 3,190. Total: 8,300 points
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Ok, so maybe my math skills are lacking, but there is something we are missing here: matchups. I don't think RP are THEORETICALLY necessary if you make the right SP matchups.
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Team A: 5 SP @ 215 IP x 5.65 P/IP = 6075 points + 425 (remaining IP out of 1500) x 4.25 P/IP = 1805. Total: 7,880 points
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What about the teams that are going to put up 1200 innings at 1P/IP below my starters?
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1.5 P/IP behind the league, prorated over your 250 bullpen innings, for a grand total of 375 point hole. Uh oh.
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I'm just skeptical that those guys exist, and even more skeptical that a team will be able to identify them 60 days before any other team also zeros in on them
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By the time you figure out what 4 new "studs" emerge out of nowhere it will be June and you will be 1.5 P/IP behind the rest of the league. And they will have cost you probably $8+ apiece
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you mean all the guys that weren't signed at this point last year?
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Everyone is looking at value, at every position, so if a stud RP emerges to close for a great team, every owner will jump. That what happened last year with guys like Holland, Frieri, Cook, Wilhelmsen, etc
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If RP value presents itself (waiver wire), what makes you so confident that that player will be yours? With RP, sometimes you need to pounce before value (opportunity) is clear
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or alternatively, pick a position, you take RP and give me any position (or positions). I'll come out with more of the top 10
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put it this way: how about we bet $25 per position -- you list your top 10 RPs by Otto scoring in 2013, I will do the same at every other position SP and hitting positions. End of the year we look at the lists and compare each v RP
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its not a no RP strategy; if value presents itself I will jump on it, but value at RP hasn't yet
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If it does work it totally blows a hole in the format and RP values drop like a rock from here on out. All 10 pitching slots might as well be changed to "P"
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Ill admit I just don't understand the strategy and have a hard time seeing how it could work when RP are clearly built into the format by design. If there was a way to exploit the pts w/o RP I'd think the originators of Ottoneu would have commented on it
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they very rarely make surprise starts
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yes, that's true. And I don't need them in my rotation on the 130 days out of 162 that they don't pitch
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You will need Strasbug, Price, and Darvish active in your rotation for every single IP they throw this season just to get close the points you're anticipating
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um, strasburg, Darvish and Price don't have to be in the lineup 80% of the time
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the better question is why you think I need to sign some of those 75 RPs that average 6+/IP now, especially since 30% are free agents
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That's the point - can you find 600 point SP to use? Yes, but its all about the slots. There's no way to capture all those points and all those starts with just two open SP slots remaining. And that's before mixing/matching, which is a given.
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For instance, Buster Posey outscored the 6th best C last year by 400 points (ie, a Relief Pitcher)
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can I get 4500 points from 7-8 other starters? In other words, can I get 600 points per starter from the rest of my guys? Yes. And of course this ignores the other side of the ledger.
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you scored 8283 P points at a rate of 5.58/IP
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