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Dude, facts are facts. 0 offers or responses to me, Dave's only competition, even when I repeatedly messaged asking you what you wanted, who you wanted on my team, and if I could please get some offers. Absolutely, no shopping of the players you traded Dave to anyone. Five trades this season, solely with Dave. Last season you traded some guy to Dave for cash so 2nd place team couldn't get him. Dave vetting your trades on Slack to make sure they appeared fair to the rest of the league.
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Im REFUSING to trade with the league? Bullshit. Ive even felt "frozen out" to some degree, because every time I try to make a move the offers are so absurdly one sided I cant even begin to discuss things any further. Now thats not each and every offer, but its such a high percentage of them its not even funny.
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There was just no need for any of this, and it was handled so childishly. I felt ive made solid, fair trades. If it would have been vetoed I would have accepted that. I would have voiced my concern, but accepted it. There have been some absurd trades and that trade was no where NEAR any of those.
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1. You made 5 trades with Dave. 2. You did not respond to my messages asking what was going on and why you weren't offering me any deals. 3. You didn't even shop any of the guys you traded to Dave to me, his only competition on any of the 5 trades. I don't care that you didn't trade them to me. I have lost out on a few trades this year and not thought I was being colluded against. You are just randomly refusing to trade with the entire league and only trading with Dave.
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also EE is not even close to a $43 player this year.
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I also am not obligated to give you the best bat on my team for what would be what, the 10th best bat on my team roughly?
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I didnt take the offer because the value wasnt there after I ran my projections. I was waiting to see what your team did so i could have a clearer picture of what I would want in addition, and what you may be willing to part with.
I didnt start the trade discussions, i was not and am still not super motivated to move a top bat in the game. Just because I didnt make a trade with you, and then made a trade with someone else competing with you, does not mean I am colluding against you
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You said you were seriously considering that trade. I didn't think a $7 Todd Frazier on pace to hit 50 Hrs when I offered him for $43 Edwin who is 33 years old? Then not respond to any other trade offers or messages and just trade with Dave? Did that offer make you mad enough to collude?
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Oh wait no youre right. I should have taken your offer of Prince Fielder for Bum instead of Kershaw. That was the much better offer.
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dont look at the volume of the trades, look at the content within the trades. Then tell me I wasnt trading with integrity.
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You mean when you wanted me to trade EE for a Todd Frazier hitting .205 on the season?
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Nobody thinks it's strange that Dave made 5 trades with Ghost of Buster Posey this year (the only team Posey traded with at all) yet I could not even get him to return a message saying, "hey are you interested in anyone on my team?"
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The hardest part about this for me is having to go through the death of Harambe all over again.
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come on, justin. it was a confidential group that you got to pick who was invited to be in. i had no idea this was going to be the result. i'm sorry, this feels like 'i got a $600 salary and I might not win so i'm gonna break the game.' that's just how it feels to me. maybe it's the stakes or the setup but this isn't fun to me anymore so i will almost assuredly not be coming back next year. i still dont know if that was the intende end-result but i have legitimately enjoyed playing.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 6:23 PM
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I think it's Andy Kaufman performance art at this point.
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Secret group? You were invited! You all were invited.
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Strong men also cry.
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Thanks, Niv.
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I didn't pay you and you didn't pay me. There is $600 unaccounted for from our previous commissioner.
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actually no just so we're clear, this is how it looks to me. you became commissioner, formed a secret group that you got to pick to "meet" to discuss kicking people out, sanctions, mid season rule changes, and what needs to be done in the best interest of the league. so that's the issue that i have with it.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 6:09 PM
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You totally cried to him like a little girl. I read the terms of service and stayed entirely within those terms. It is you who have violated them. You can't fraudulently steal my money and neither can Ottoneu.
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What rules allow that b.s.?
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I didn't go cry to him. There are certain expectations especially when someone has $50 from every league member. There are terms of service.
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Fowles I also thought the council thing was a joke. Please have the whole league involved in massive changes from here on out. How about a vote?
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Alright. I have spoken to Niv. He has read this message board and concluded that the commissioner had no business being in charge of this league. If you ever have questions or concerns my number is 210.262.8844.
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Ok - I want my money back. Now.
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Dave did you go cry to Niv?
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alright clearly you know what you're doing and how this looks. i can see you're just trying to act ho hum about it. i can only assume you're trying to force people you don't want in the league to quit.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 6:04 PM
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Discussion of the issues was posted and we met, just like I said was going to happen. I'm not sure what the issue is.
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i honestly still can't tell if this is tongue in cheek. please tell me it is because i've invested a lot of time and effort in this league and have generally enjoyed it. i don't want to pull a chad wedding if you're just fucking with me.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 5:58 PM
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I invited everyone to the group. Nobody joined. The Rule states you cannot knowingly have more players on your team than your roster allows. Dave currently has 2 more players than his roster allows. The Rules allow for my discretion. I am saving the league. The vast majority of this league is very unhappy with what has been going on.
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wait, you can't really be quoting the 1c about the salary and roster limits right? you have the highest salary in the league. i might be reading the citation wrong. the second thing is just a vague copy and paste. we talked about all discussing what we could do to foster competitiveness/bottom half out in the open, not in a secret group behind closed doors. you can't just arbitrarily make and apply rules which is what this feels like.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 5:55 PM
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Anyway, these were just some of the reasons for the actions of the Grand Council and they are totally justified by official League Rules. I suggest discussion on this matter cease to avoid anymore penalties for attempting to collapse the league.
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Abusive commissioners shall not stand man.
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The Grand Council has determined that the only way to preserve the league is to take these actions. "It is crucial that those owners who find themselves in the bottom half of the league in a given season have a reason to return for the next year, or else the league will collapse. Therefore, there must be safeguards put in place to ensure competitive balance, while at the same time allowing league owners to keep much of their team in place year-to-year."
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The Rizzo thing is a joke.
The other items will stand. Dave is currently in violation of Ottoneu Fantasy Baseball Rule I(c) which states that if there is a violation the team will face penalties at the discretion of their league's commissioner. Those penalties have been handed down and he has violated that rule repeatedly. The owner who has been removed also violated that rule repeatedly.
Also both teams have been found to violate the rules contained in the preamble.
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I would suggest everyone read the terms of service.
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before chad left, we talked about all talking about how we could change the rules during the offseason. now fowles you've changed the veto rule midstream. that doesn't feel right. and why have you increased rizzo's salary?
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 4:37 PM
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i've had a hard time telling what's been a joke and what's serious lately but it does look like nick was kicked out. i don't know him, he's not my boy, but i don't think you can just kick someone out of a league, absent utter neglect of their team, absent strong evidence of collusion or cheating and i didn't see that in that last trade. there have been lots of good and bad trades throughout the years in otto. plus there is a veto process that should have been used.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 4:36 PM
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wait, is that 10:15am post for real? also, decrease Rizzo's salary.
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 3:23 PM
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I for one welcome our new insect overlord. As a trusted league member, I can be trusted to round up others who complain about trolling to toil in the Fowles underground sugar caves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcUHQYhPTE
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dude...
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 1:13 PM
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There's a lot more trolling in the Fowles regime
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 10:54 AM
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The Grand Council met last night and the following league rules are hereby issued:
1. All trade veto power shall unilaterally vest in the commissioner.
2. Team owner nicktatarakis is hereby removed of his ownership and shall be replaced with an owner of the Grand Council's choosing.
3. Dave Spracale shall have $120 added evenly to his roster at the end of the 2016 season, prior to any arbitration or other annual additions.
The Grand Council appreciates your continued commitment to fair play
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Maybe Chad got tired of rebuilding and stole the Fowles team? That's one way to acquire Mookie...
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in fact, how do we know that chad's epic meltdown rant was even chad? what if fowles has kidnapped chad and posted that tirade as a part of a coup?
SKnack Pack on
August 24, 2016 8:24 AM
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Bumgarner currently being outscored by Kershaw by almost 5 points since the trade.
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How do we know this grand council isn't just like the "free and democratic Iraqi elections" and this council isn't just Fowles?
SKnack Pack on
August 23, 2016 7:40 PM
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mike-zunino-awoke-from-his-nightmare/ "The bar is set low and Zunino is easily clearing it"
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I have received multiple messages and Grand Council membership is now closed. Thanks to all who have messaged. If you did not receive a message in response, you have not been invited.
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