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You're very welcome to stay and play. This a a very active and competitive league and we look forward to another owner who will make it that much more fun and challenging. We have finished top 5 in the Ottoneu 5x5 ranking multiple seasons and I don't expect the upcoming season to be any different. Welcome!
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Hi, I'm looking for an active ottoneu money league. been playing a long-standing 14 team dynasty league (over 10 years in different iterations), and wanted the challenge of clawing my way up for a changes. does this sound like this league is a good fit? let me know. if not, i can always shove off.
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Good afternoon, after several communications with the ABAA, he continued to view the situation as an ultimatum. Therefore, the owner has been let go and now we need to find a new one. If anyone knows of someone who wishes to join our league please contact me. I have not made the league available to the general public yet, but if we cannot fill the spot soon I will open it. I expect this spot to fill quickly once publicly available, however I prefer bringing in known a quantity.
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This is good enough for me. Epstein should stay, and ABAA I hope you stay too. BTW for anyone looking to join a one-time dysfunctional ottoneu points league, 183 has some openings :)
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League,
I apologize for my part in this consternation. I didn’t appreciate that my casual conversation could be construed as cheating. Weeks ago, when the owner objected, I apologized to him, desisted, and contacted the commissioner to come clean if I’d broken a rule. I understand I made a tactless misstep. This is a great league, and I’m sorry to have contributed any negativity to it.
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I agree with Tecmo. Asking another owner about where they are going to put $2 in arbitration is not that big a deal, even if that conversation takes a nasty tone. But, if it is part of a larger pattern of skirting the rules, then it becomes a problem. This is the first I've heard of any misbehavior from Epstein, so I would like everyone to stick around. If this is part of a longer string of misdeeds, that would change my opinion.
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There is nothing in the rules that specifically forbids this type of behavior. I would agree that it is against the spirit of the rules. I see nothing wrong with a warning to Epstein and move on. Trying to negotiate a deal on arbitration dollars is dumb. With trades and cuts you are talking about a few $$ in salary cap money the next season. I don't view this as a big deal.
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December 4, 2017 3:10 PM
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"Yeah big waste of time, boy am I sorry. And do not accuse me of cheating- clearly you do not understand that arbitration is at its core "arbitrary." I did not break any rules, collude, or attempt to collude. I made the mistake of attempting to share information about my team -which is my right to do- and to request like information as a token of good faith. That is all. You've got no call to get flip with me." From Epstein Dreams on December 3, 2017 6:41 PM
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The message below is not from someone who knows he made a mistake or is sorry for that mistake. It's the message of someone who is pissed he got caught and will try and figure out another way to get away with something shady if not downright illegal as soon as he can.
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Travis- the problem is that he doesn't think he did anything wrong. He sent me the following message yesterday that clearly shows he thinks he did nothing wrong and all he was doing was "sharing information" not offering a quid pro quo deal or, when I didn't take that deal, threatening to add money to my players in arbitration if I didn't take money off of his.
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Therefore, I am not comfortable kicking anyone out of the league for that. Additionally, I would really like All Betts for Arenado to stay in, because he is a good manager too, but I am not going to force anyone out of the league.
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Epstein apologized to me and agreed that he would not. I don’t see any evidence that he has broken that agreement. In the future, let’s make it clear that any such agreements are off limits and will result in expulsion from the league. I believe Epstein genuinely made a mistake, based on a misunderstanding of the rules and that he immediately stopped making those offers.
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Good morning, after some thought this is how I view the situation. Obviously, Epstein wasn’t clear on all of the rules. I knew about the offer he had made immediately, because he had contacted me and asked if he had done something wrong, when All Betts for Arenado objected. I told him that those types of offers are not in keeping with the spirit of the league and that he should not make them.
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NSFY I respectfully disagree. I feel as though there should be some type of transparency with deals like that, or at least a clarification BEFORE a deal like that happens. That being said, I think Epstein has proven himself to be a good owner in that he is active, responds quickly, etc., so I would like to hear his side of things before I jump to any conclusion. That being said, it sounds like keeping both owners isn't an option, as ABAA will leave if Epstein stays, right?
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I agree that it's disconcerting that Epstein attempted a quid-pro-quo arrangement, but I'd hate to lose any managers over it--esp 2 of the more active in the league. I'm the commish of a number of leagues, and I find that different owners interpret the boundaries differently until someone calls something out for the league to agree on. My ideal scenario: We keep both managers but all agree that horsetrading with arbitration is off-limits and will result in expulsion. Would that work for you, BA?
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Esptein has been in the league longer than I have (I believe he joined last year while I joined in November) so perhaps you have some type of loyalty to him however I think he should be removed from the league immediately and a replacement owner should be found. If, after seeing what transpired, you all think that this type of behavior is acceptable than I'll be happy to step aside.
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To me, it's cheating, it's not in the spirit of the game and it is probably against the rules of Ottoneu and I will not be in a league with Epstein's Dreams.
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After thinking about it for a couple of weeks and then exchanging a couple of messages yesterday with Epstein's Dreams I realize that I made a mistake and should have reported this immediately. There is no place in fantasy baseball for these types of attempts (colluding in arbitration) and threats (if you don't take money off my players I'm going to put money on your players).
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At this point I clearly should have reported this but again I was a new owner and I liked the team I inherited so I responded to him privately-
Do whatever you think is appropriate in arbitration. I put money on players and teams I think deserve it. I don’t make any back room deals to put money on, or take money off of, players. I don’t think that’s playing by the rules or in the spirit of the game.
From YOU on November 14, 2017 9:20 PM
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, but i sense that 2nd dollar on santana is yours, which is fine of course.)
From Epstein Dreams on November 14, 2017 8:53 PM
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Unfortunately this didn't work and Esptein's Dreams resorted to threatening messages-
can't say i blame you for that, they are good (if I do say so myself, and i do say so, myself). We're early; you'll have to consider moving somebody from off your list before I'm motivated to explore these options.
And since I'm pretty sure you've got $3 on me, I'm looking to reciprocate that level of respect. (Only saying so because i previously said I'm only doing 2 on you in the hopes that you'd play ball,
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While I changed the arbitration the previous owner made it had nothing to do with the offer that was made and I informed Epstein's Dreams of this. I should have known better and reported this immediately however I tried to get the conversation back to trades and the players we could match up on.
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As a new owner in this league I was concerned when, after welcoming me to the league, an exisitng owner- Epstein Dreams- tried to get me to change my arbitration in a quid pro quo offer-
also, I've only put $2 on you, in case you feel like returning the favor... (albies, *cough*cough*)
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