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Congratulations to the donkeys, nice work!
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 30, 2019 12:19 AM
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Congrats LoS BuRRoS, Daaa yankeesuc! and Full_Count on finishing I the money! Well deserved. It's been a fun season.
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I will be looking to trade offense for pitching in the off season so I can be like Full Count next year. Winter Meetings begin early
Team Rebuild on
September 28, 2019 9:56 PM
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I get you Poco. I just can't do allocation. Tried it, tried to like it, couldn't do it. It's like mayo. It never makes anything better and when forced into foods it just ruins it. 😂😂😂
LoS BuRRoS on
September 24, 2019 11:06 AM
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I disagree. Less than five year players get arbitration older players get raises based on contrasts, which is the same thing and covers all players.
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 24, 2019 11:00 AM
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Thus the $1/$2
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 24, 2019 10:59 AM
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Burros - while I am personally not a fan of vote off I signed up for it when I joined the league. Some form of arbitration is essential for competitive balance.
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I disagree. Less than five year players get arbitration older players get raises based on contrasts, which is the same thing and covers all players.
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 24, 2019 10:59 AM
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Yankess - The $1 to $2 annual increases are pay raises, not arbitration. Different things.
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While I thought it was a good idea put forth by 4 balls I also think that this is the kind of rule change that the entire league should agree upon. It is what it is. I am completely good with leaving it the way it is with vote off. Everyone pays the same amount of money to be here so everyone needs to have their opinions represented. The only thing I feel strongly about is allocation. Cant stand that format and I created this league to get away from that. I appreciate your guys input.
LoS BuRRoS on
September 24, 2019 10:52 AM
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We have arbitration, every year. $1 for rookies and $2 for all other players.
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 24, 2019 10:48 AM
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MLB has arbitration. And good players get huge raises at times. Ottoneu’s arbitration process does a solid job in representing this. Arbitration is part of MLB and part of Ottoneu. I understand the desire to move away from the vote off, and feel the same. But arbitration is part of dynasty baseball and certainly Ottoneu’s format.
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In MLB owners don't snipe at other owners players nor do they get tack on $$ to their contracts.
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 24, 2019 10:26 AM
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You don't get it...how can you rebuild when your best player is removed every year. Take Strasburg and Harper away from Washington when they were rebuilding...how good would they have been? An owner like you can afford to lose someone and still compete. Fantasy baseball is supposed to mirror rear baseball. $1 or $2 each year works and is somewhat realistic to contract increases. Ottoneu arbitration or vote off are both ridiculous!
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 24, 2019 10:23 AM
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I am by no means an amazing player and am far from the best in this league, but 1 player is just 2.5% of the team. So I'm sorry but the hard truth is if you think losing one player a year is why you're consistently bad, it's not. You're simply consistently bad. Work harder, try a new strategy because what you're doing isn't working. Blaming it on this rule and abolishing it is a lazy fix and all it will do is concentrate power to a few teams.
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If an owner is rebuilding a team of 40 players and removing one of them completely ruins their rebuild year after year then, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend, this is not directed at anyone, but shouldn't the solution be for that owner to work harder to get better at fantasy baseball?
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Not necessarily the success. But if it’s the only one or two players you have, that matters. It not always abut competing every year. You don’t want your rebuilding efforts ruined either by losing your best chip. It cuts both way and is a terrible system.
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If the success of your team depends on one player then I'm sorry but you don't have a good enough team to compete anyways.
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This is a fundamental part of the league and would have had to be decided upon before the league ever started. If this change is made now it will dramatically advantage teams with the best/most values and leave other teams in the dust. Also, it's going to destroy any sort of values going forward. Because teams will have that much more money available it will increase the prices of all of the other players in the auction and free agency, thus there will be no more values available.
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Yes, This is my proposal, believe we should get rid of arbitration, to allow us to truly build a roster of our choosing
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Summary as I see it: 1) no vote off 2) no allocation voting 3) $1/$2 You still get some turnover but you only added automatically by ottoneu. 4 baller is this the proposal?
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 12, 2019 11:42 AM
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You still get some turnover but you your roster never gets blown up. We work to hard to build our rosters to have them arbitrarily blown up. This system is easy to implement but I think a vote would be necessary to get rid of the "voting a player off your team". I do like this idea.
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 12, 2019 11:40 AM
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I've read all the threads and here r my thoughts...I don't like allocation as it is done in other ottoneu leagues. This league was not set up that way and will never change. The proposal as I interpret it from the 4 baller(not to be confused w fur baller) is to get rid of voting a player off the island. In other words: NO allocation OR arbitration. The only thing that would happen each yr is $1 gets added to your rookies and $2 gets added to each other player.
Daaa yankeesuc! on
September 12, 2019 11:37 AM
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Can’t say I read the entire trail on this but hopefully got the gist of it. My thought - definitely not a fan of the vote off system. I am a fan of the allocation system and would happily vote for the switch. I do think that arbitration is a very important part of this format and would not be in favor of going without. Also do not believe that no arbitration is an option with Ottoneu anyway.
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Also wanted to say that this isnt a for sure change. Just thought it was a great idea and one worth discussing. I do think that we have a great league and this isnt worth splitting it up over. Just wanted to re-up the suggestion and have everyone think about it.
LoS BuRRoS on
September 11, 2019 2:04 PM
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hence why trading and drafting would be more valuable long term,, people would trade more, because they would use their valuable players, to get valuable players in return that fill a need, I know Id be more inclined to trade my best players away, if all I had was pitching and needed hitting, and vis versa, and same with you guys, you would be more inclined to trade hitting for pitching if that's what you needed the most, and that might just help you win the league
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You could point all of those out throughout the history of the league. I traded a lot to get tatis. In a vote off I would lose him as well. Getting rid of the arbitration solves that.
LoS BuRRoS on
September 11, 2019 1:29 PM
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i traded to fill multiple gaps in hope that once one gets voted off I still have 2 of the 3 I filled.
But theoretically in my mind, teams lose players in real life due to *money* not Medieval kill off systems
Team Rebuild on
September 11, 2019 1:29 PM
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Rebuild gets screwed twice in this case, he trades away alvarez, and then loses the guy he trades for, because he a no longer has alvarez, and b, the next guy is the best guy on his roster,, but if there is no arbitration, then I am pretty sure, rebuild would of never traded alvarez, which he wouldn't have lost anything, and in the draft he can gain to rebuild his team..
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By eliminating the vote off you dont create that hole. Expensive players will still go back into the auction and every player will still gain $2 every year. Thats still 1/5th of your total salary cap increase which still leads to turnover.
LoS BuRRoS on
September 11, 2019 1:27 PM
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Again, you will still have two needs. In your example, it will now be fill SP and fill whatever other hole was created by the next best value who was voted off your team. The vote-off sucks for sure, but trading that player doesn't get rid of the issue.
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Obviously, we all know and all smart enough to know, that just because a player had a great rookie year, doesn't guarantee him the same success the next year, but at the same time, that player, such as alvarez has a great year, as he did, in the draft, If I know he isn't going to get voted off., I can turn my focus else where and really go after a need, for example if I was lacking in sp,, id spend more on verlander, or Scherzer, or cole, because I need to fill a need, but now I need to fill 2
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The point is a little overstated. Yes you would lose Alvarez, but all of your other value players will be safe. Now that you traded Alvarez, say goodbye to your next best value player. I am with Pine Bluff here, I think it is fine the way it is and easier to plan for the future if I know I am only losing one guy as opposed to a surprise increase for multiple players. In your case Rebuild, you are likely going to lose the guy you traded Alvarez for, so what did you gain by trading him?
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It was my first year and I didn't see anyone go for more than $45 in the draft and their was yelich, verlander, acuna, rendon, and a lot of other top fanasy player in the draft. Obviously there are some high priced player out there and they must have been drafted high at some point, but I don't think people will go for less by eliminating arbitration. If everyone has $100-$150 like last years draft and their is only 1 or 2 star out there, how much do you think they will go for?
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Very good Point, you are forced to trade away talent, because in the off season you are going to lose him no matter what you do, because he is 1 dollar and you get nothing in return.. very good point team rebuild,
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Can I just throw out there that I traded Yordan Alvarez due to this dumb system and hence would not have traded Yordan Alvarez if I knew we could be possible eliminating this system.
Team Rebuild on
September 11, 2019 1:05 PM
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you would lose over 200 in runs, 200 in rbis, 75 plus hr. 60 stolen bases, 200 strike outs, with Wins and a low era, whip,
and who knows maybe you don't, but losing the guy who gets voted off and those guys you cant afford, can take you from first to last,
So just your team alone, 4 very talented players available in the draft,, and each team is going to release people they cant afford, but if yelich isn't voted off, it changes your roster because you wont lose as much
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Well lets take a look at your roster alone and the guys that you have on your team currently and how it would effect your team, and think about pricing and where they are, turner - one of the best upcoming short stops - 60 dollars, Goldschmidt 41 dollars, and Yelich- 39 dollars, verlander 37 dollars, This year alone based on performance, Yelich would be voted off, and I wouldn't keep turner for 58 nor goldy for 41 and certainly not verlander at 37
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Please explain how you think it will help with the draft? The way I see it, if owners are allowed to keep every value they have, that will inflate the prices in the auction even further, thus eliminating any values that might have been. Further encouraging owners to hold onto their values for dear life.
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for example, he is a stolen base specialist, when he is on base .200 of the time, but he doesn't do much else for your roster.. so he isn't valuable, but if you only needed stolen bases and he was the only guy left, you want him on your roster. I just hate losing a guy that I took the time to follow, watch, draft, have success, and now I have to worry about losing that guy because he is great and a cheap player, then go to the draft and hope I don't spend 60 dollars for a guy I had less than 10
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And to speak about the draft less fun, it is already less fun, because every one just bids on players until they reach 75 dollars or 60 dollars. Just because they can, and they have no intention of trying to win, they just want to mark it up to screw some one else.. to me that's not fun, but if you had your star players on the roster, those every day role players would have more of a value, because you need the guys who hit for average and score runs, or steal bases. Take Billy Hamilton
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I am proposing to get rid of arbitration all together. I believe it will actually help with the draft and increase fair trades.. And 1 player in this type of league an absolutely be a difference maker in all categories. In a head to head matchup you can win any given week based on how well your team decided to do that week,, in a Rotisserie league, you will have a specific need and you will need to go out in free agency and draft that need, or make a big trade that you fill a void
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I didn't sign up for this to be a dynasty league and nothing in the rules or FAQ state that Ottoneu is trying to be dynasty style fantasy baseball. If you eliminate arbitration entirely, then the draft is far less fun and far fewer trades will happen as owners hold onto their values with their cold dead hands. Sure Ottoneu attempts to mimic real baseball, but I don't think we should sacrifice the things that make it fun over making it closer to real baseball.
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Are you proposing changing to the other style of arbitration or eliminating arbitration entirely? I would not be in favor of eliminating arbitration entirely. I believe it ensures competitive balance in the league. I actually prefer the style of arbitration we have now. Think about it, sure in the current scenario you lose one player each year, but you're never going to have just one value on your team. Also, it makes the draft far more fun having actual talented players in the auction pool.
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I would be more active in trading and free agency If I knew I could keep the guys I fought for at the end of the year. But if I know I am going to trade for the best player, but lose him in arbitration, I am less likely to make a deal.. Again its something to think about for the future of the league, and not certain how long you will all be a part of this, but I plan being in the league a while and again trying to make ways to improve, make it more competitive
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Great job drafting Alonso, Ryu, Hiura, Soroka, Acuna, Tatis, Paddack, Aquino, Soto, Buehler. But now they are off your team OR you get to blow up your team salary just to keep your guys. This isn’t how real baseball is done and it’s a dumb system.
LoS BuRRoS on
September 11, 2019 12:14 PM
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I am on board with 4 balls. Would love to turn this into a dynasty league and also make it more like real baseball. It sucks that you have the foresight to draft a minor leaguer, hold on to him for 2 years, only to have him kicked off your team because he killed it in his rookie season. The $2/$1 increase would still happen which would still generate roster turnover. I think this is a fantastic idea.
LoS BuRRoS on
September 11, 2019 12:09 PM
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I don't know about you guys, but I feel I cant really ever build my team the way I want, when I continue to lose players every year, or cant afford to keep players, because they are a quarter of my roster. It is just a thought and will need to take a league vote to get rid of arbitration, but if you guys like losing your best player every year, then we can continue as is,, and over pay for players that are not worth 75 dollars a season.
So think about it as we have a few months to decide
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Three times as much to get the player back. If we eliminate the arbitration, then it allows you to manage your team better, and there wont be a fear of losing a 5 dollar player or a "best player", which would help out free agency and keep free agents at a more competitive price. I also think its absurd, that people will bid a player in the draft for 2 times his value. And every year he goes back to free agency, and the same thing occurs.
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Gentlemen,
I was thinking about ways in how to improve the league and create a true dynasty, and my thoughts were to eliminate the arbitration at the end of the season. Especially in a keeper league, I would like to keep guys, I draft, or make trades for. The current system and arbitration, doesn't allow you to keep the best player on your team. It isn't fair that you got a guy for super cheap, who is an all-star caliber player, and next season you can't have the player, and have to pay
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