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I don't know if Jay wants Wil Myers back (whom he cut after acquiring some of the Shadymen cuts), but he can have him.
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Criminal Shadymen's owner has been removed and their roster moves have been reversed retroactive to August 4
sabrsplit on
August 11, 2017 12:10 PM
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Thanks for the update.
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He responded on Slack and said he just didn't care anymore. It's unfortunate.
Lamoka 🏹 on
August 10, 2017 6:40 PM
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I'd be curious to hear from him first before I say yea or nay, but I guess it's kinda moot if 6 of 11 want to go ahead.
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Changes will be made this afternoon barring any further arguments on the issue. Feel free to express any opinions on here or Slack.
sabrsplit on
August 10, 2017 2:15 PM
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If I were as brainless as some of you, I'd make a massive stink about getting to keep Sean Doolittle, but because I'm not, I won't.
WAR Horse on
August 10, 2017 1:25 PM
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We have 6 owners who are for removing Criminal Shadymen and reversing all moves dating back to August 4
sabrsplit on
August 10, 2017 1:23 PM
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Why don't we take a vote?
sabrsplit on
August 10, 2017 10:14 AM
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I think we're there
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So where on the spectrum of deliberately sabotaging one's team is Shadymen? Where exactly is the line that one crosses before you are deemed "horrible owner" and banished? Asking for a friend.
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Rules Against Changing Names?'s trade block has been updated!
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Criminal Shadymen is now down to 25 rostered players and a whole lot less surplus
sabrsplit on
August 8, 2017 4:53 PM
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Hey commish, Max Fried is still on my 5MiLB until he debuts
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Fly Eli's Evian Showers's trade block has been updated!
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@Lake Bell, fwiw I would love to reverse my trade with Four Horseman. Miggy, Stras and Jim Johnson have all pretty much tanked since joining my squad.
sabrsplit on
August 4, 2017 1:57 PM
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Well this quickly devolved into an ESPN message board-esque shit-slinging fest.
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Also, you guys prolly need your yahoo accounts to hide your viewing habits from your moms
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Horsemen, i'm not sure why you are talking so much, being in 10th place and all. Since people that are bad at this, shouldn't have a voice. Also, aren't you the one that gave way Trout, Stras and Miggy for parts? This trade got through, and you are still here... seems weird to me? But wait, thats right, it was with the commish, and the vetoes didnt get enough.
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...why do you need a secondary email address to watch porn?
WAR Horse on
August 4, 2017 1:37 AM
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im just so glad that ppl wanna jerk eachother off because they are buddies in an ottoneu league vs a yahoo league lol. feel free to boot me tonight
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Isn't yahoo mostly for making secondary e-mail accounts for porn?
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Strasburg and Miggy have been really great for him, you geniuses were so right to be mad about that trade. Guys, Yahoo is right here ------> www.yahoo.com <--------
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 8:47 PM
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I wish I had my players back too
sabrsplit on
August 3, 2017 8:40 PM
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No, he wouldn't have. You are an imbecile.
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 8:40 PM
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I can't take trout, strausburg, and miggy from commish and say that four horsemen wasn't fit to run his team. why do you get to come take marte from mine? Oh right, because it wasn't you. No one else but commish can get the better end of deals. If four horsemen traded trout, strausburg, and miggy to the Montreal royals, commish would have kicked him out and reversed the trade.
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To kick someone out an then decide to go back in time and reverse a week's worth of transactions is INSANE. That means you were a week late in making a decision. Too late commish. Please give me back my players. We never got a vote on it or a chance to weigh in. you did it on slack because you knew only your inner circle are there and the rest of us aren't. Otherwise, you would have discussed it here. vote in a democracy.
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Which is why I think these matters should be left up to the league and not decided upon unilaterally by the commish.
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Also, I'm not sure intentions are more important than outcomes here. If someone does a minor move in bad faith that has no negative effect to league competitiveness, what's the harm exactly. I don't think the people that want him gone and the moves reversed would care if the outcomes weren't of primary concern. And if it's about outcomes, then it becomes a much trickier question to determine what owners / moves are have bad outcomes for the league that we don't want to see.
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It was always amusing when he replied "WTF" to every trade
Lamoka 🏹 on
August 3, 2017 6:16 PM
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There were active discussions on this board and on Slack about the issue well before the commissioner made a decision. I believe the commissioner even weighed in with the Libertarian party before deciding that even Libertarianism has limits.
Lamoka 🏹 on
August 3, 2017 6:14 PM
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Even if the league was unanimous in wanting to remove him, there would have to be a separate discussion about whether to reverse his moves, how far to go, how to actually determine which trades were done in good faith or not. If the majority of league owners had decided to do this, I probably would have agreed, given my stated reservations about WTF. Unilateral action by the commish with no input and discussion is another matter entirely. This is basic stuff people.
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Maybe we should invite him back and make him the commissioner! What a terrific league that would be. No trades would be allowed unless his team was involved.
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 6:08 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care about the trades being reversed. I can see it argued both ways. It is what it is. But it cannot be argued that he had to booted. Guys, he's still around, I'm sure you can contact him and start up a new league with him, if you really miss him that much. If you really miss his constant complaining every time anyone did a trade that didn't involve him. I mean, who wouldn't want to play with an owner like that?
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 6:08 PM
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It is more about the intent behind the moves than it is about the moves themselves. The vetoed trade in question was never meant to disrupt or cause damage to this league (a lot of the backfire seemed to be about loan size anyways), however I do think HORRIBLE OWNER's moves had those exact intentions.
sabrsplit on
August 3, 2017 6:07 PM
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You are suggesting that the timing of his removal was totally random. I disagree. I also don't think the main point here is "you are bad owner so your input doesn't count". It's more about the validity of these arguments being in question.
sabrsplit on
August 3, 2017 6:04 PM
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and i find it super hypocritical for people to get on their soap boxes earlier this year about a veto'd trade, arguing that we should let owners run their teams as they see fit... but then in the same breath turn around and boot a guy and reverse trades that were made. we either let people run teams like they want to run them, or just arbitrarily decide on slack when someone needs to get kicked?
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is the arbitrariness of the valuations of his moves and of the decision to boot him, the lack of discussion and input from the league, and the dismissal of people's concerns because they too have been deemed "horrible owners" now. If you ask me, he was an obviously bad owner for a long time, but it wasn't up to me or any one person to remove him, and it isn't now either.
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4*
sabrsplit on
August 3, 2017 5:55 PM
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Three new team names in the same week is a new league record and an achievement that should be celebrated.
Lamoka 🏹 on
August 3, 2017 5:50 PM
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Look, I don't think he was good owner. I more or less never understood the logic behind his moves and they often seemed to be erratic and often contradictory. On top of that, I wasn't able to take advantage of his tendency for bad trades as much as my competitors. All of that is to stay that I don't actually care long term that I am not in a league with him. I don't even care about losing Jose sub-100 wRC Bautista. What I do find bizarre...
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i didnt make any trades with the guy, so i dont get what the hell you mean by that. And my name is so Sabr doesn't kick me, obviously? I'm confused where the confusion is. then again, makes sense when people need to shout "scoreboard" in the midst of a league discussion. fuck this shit
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I can see why you're upset. The loss of players from an 8th place team that won't exist next year, in a league that won't exist next year. Must be hard for you to stomach. We'll work tirelessly until you get those players back.
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 5:45 PM
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Don't Kick Me Please---could you explain your new team name? It would be helpful to get the back story and deeper meaning.
Lamoka 🏹 on
August 3, 2017 5:44 PM
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so we can't veto a trade during the year. but sabr can magically veto multiple trades after the fact? who do i contact to get my money back?
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🍿
sabrsplit on
August 3, 2017 5:39 PM
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Four Horsemen--Please change your team name to "SABR's ____"
Lamoka 🏹 on
August 3, 2017 5:38 PM
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The sentence "I'm gonna watch my team climb up to 6th or 7th place in the next few years" pretty much sums up you as an owner.
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 5:27 PM
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If that's the case, I won't be staying.
WAR Horse on
August 3, 2017 5:24 PM
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..prospects to leave now. I'm gonna watch my team climb up to 6th or 7th place in the next few years. So guess it will be you who's leaving if it has to be one of us. You're welcome to stay. I don't mind.
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