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Agreed Emy. That was exactly it. Glad this happened though because we added Coolhandluke and got rid of those other jokers. we'll have replacements soon....
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 12:55 PM
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I had no issue with them raising a potential issue with the commish for HIM to investigate, but it wasn’t necessary to make a federal case on our public forum and trash another owner who just joined. We don’t need that negative shiz up in here anyway.
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 22, 2025 12:16 PM
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Ironic that Bottlejobs did EXACTLY the very thing to this league that they tried to call Ya Gotta Believe out for doing in another. I hope someone sees the “special situation” they caused here and are kind enough to notify other league commishes of the risks posed by having them join their leagues. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, fellas.
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 22, 2025 12:15 PM
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Re: regret for paying… C’mon, Manfred, you’re one of the “solid core” of owners here that make this league worthwhile! We good!
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 22, 2025 12:12 PM
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Thank you Comish for quickly squaring this situation away. Looking forward to the year.
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Sucks we gotta find a new team but those dudes seemed like a headache. Good riddance
Manfred's Mans on
January 22, 2025 10:33 AM
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ok, back to work I go! anyway, we'll fill/be great/have fun. All will work out and YaGottaBelieve and our two (or more) new managers will all add to that enjoyment.
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 10:33 AM
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The reality every year is that not every league will have everyone return/pay by 1/31. I'm not going to cut teams prior to 1/31 to give them an opportunity to rejoin. I do contact teams and inquire and sometimes have a dialogue and sometimes i don't get a reply...but I'm patient and give veteran/returning managers the benefit of the doubt. If someone says they're not coming back then I'll mark abandoned (like Mudhens who came from Yahoo and couldn't figure Ottoneu out)....
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 10:31 AM
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But, they told me they felt "pressured to pay" & when the Affordable A's dropped b/c of work commitments, they told me they felt "lied to". That was it for me & I contacted Niv to refund and remove them. & Niv did. So I've now password protected our league and we'll find two owners to take over teams. If you know anyone, please feel free to pass on an email/ottoneu user ID. I'll also hit up my other leagues!
We're going to be far bette
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 10:29 AM
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I then told the Bottlejobs, who were also new to our league, that they couldn't complain about anyone since they were doing the same thing (joining and trading but not paying). They told me that they'd pay when everyone else has paid. I told them it doesn't work like that and returning managers get a pass. I also told them the league will fill (I commish 8 baseball leagues, 3 on Ottoneu, they all fill).
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 10:26 AM
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Ok, here is the update: The billionaire bottlejobs were a problem from the start. that whole good cop bad cop stuff, internal arguing shtick was not funny. Then, when YaGottaBelieve joined, the bottlejobs contacted me and said blah blah about them being a bad owner and they were going to do the same thing here.
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 10:25 AM
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Hey everyone, we're going to have a great year. Hang in there. Another update to follow shortly!
The AquaSox on
January 22, 2025 10:19 AM
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We're a united front on this issue actually, but we're moving on on this topic other than to answer the question posed. We said something as we felt this was a special situation with the Commish asking all of us to pay well before the deadline too and because the action in the previous league is against Ottoneu rules.
We regret paying as well if we're honest.
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Just seeing this fiasco. It seems like it's hard enough to keep a league of strangers together why did some of you get on the new guy day one lol?
Billionaires says a couple posts ago they "do not like any league to deviate from Ottoneu's rules and payment deadlines." But they are the ones who suggested new owners pay earlier.
Maybe you guys should have separate teams because you are contradicting yourselves.
Honestly I regret paying after readin
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Well, I'm 100% for that rule and will be attempting to implement it across leagues. The way to police it with newly joining teams is through the password protect process (for teams being claimed). Hopefully Ottoneu adopts a commissioner option to freeze teams that have not paid b/c no one should be making those moves unless they've committed to taking the team on.
The AquaSox on
January 21, 2025 3:27 PM
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The odds of Ottoneu adopting something like that are very slim. We were here before it was 1/31 and this was the compromise date. We're 100% against that potential rule change as we normally do not like any league to deviate from Ottoneu's rules and payment deadlines.
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As for the conversation about payment by the deadline vs drops and trades before paying. And, until Ottoneu adopts it, for next year I would like for us to establish a rule that requires payment BEFORE drops or trades. Ideally, I would like the season to run from pre-arb to pre-arb (& on a calendar year, so Jan 1 to 12/31, pushing arbitration to 1/2). This prevents people from coming in, taking a team and dropping players and changing their mind. Ottoneu has had some angry commissioners
The AquaSox on
January 21, 2025 1:01 PM
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We're at 8 paid, 4 to go.
I did receive an email from the Affordable Athletics who, with new work assignments, said he couldn't manage the team day to day. He may be back next year but for now he asked for me to find a replacement. Until I do, the team has been marked abandoned.
The AquaSox on
January 21, 2025 12:53 PM
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Cool
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As Redbirds suggested, it’s a moot point now, hope we can all just move on and play the game now.
I assure both new teams that we have a solid, active core already and your addition as experienced/engaging owners can only benefit the league. Glad to have you both.
Don’t miss the thrilling season premiere of 3rd Time's a Charm on March 6th—where offseason drama between the league's 2 newest teams meets the draft room. It's faith vs. money, and a rivalry is born! 💫
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 20, 2025 8:18 PM
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The weird thing about this. I was blindsided with this lunatic. Him and this dude red
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Wow
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Looks like the league link didn't fully go through on the message board (only in the e-mail). Did you or did you not join league #1308 at the end of December, made a bunch of moves, and then leave on January 17th to join this league? We understand people want to leave leagues sometimes, but you screwed the other teams in that league.
Will try again to link it in case you need a reminder of the shady stuff you did.
https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/1308/home
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We and you move on
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Does anyone know what this individual is talking about?
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Bizarre
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You don't have to try too hard to figure out the Ottoneu player that did that since the team name here and in the old league are practically the same. We're more than happy to move on now, but let's not pretend that we were wrong to bring this up to the Commish since an issue just happened in a previous league.
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We would normally move on after the payment was made, but since we are being accused of causing problems in the future, we thought it would be best to defend ourselves and share what we were informed and why our concerns were valid. A red flag to us is when someone joins a league, makes a bunch of "mostly bad" moves, and then asks to leave less than three weeks later as we were informed. It's all in this league link below on the message board:
https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com
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Thanks for letting us know, Commish, and for the kind words, Redbirds.
We weren't lecturing anyone about the way this league should be run. We were very much Commishes under protest in our one league because someone had to do it. We don't like being Commishes in Ottoneu, so we have no desire to ever be one in the future. We just informed the Commish of some shady dealings in another league by our newest member this close to the keeper deadline after he made a ton of roster moves.
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I don’t chime in much, but this seems like much ado about nothing. 1/31 is the deadline, and if people pay by then there should be no issue. Let’s just play some fantasy baseball and avoid the BS. Bottlejobs have been active owners and I appreciate their hustle so far. No problems caused from where I’m sitting.
The Redbirds on
January 20, 2025 4:44 PM
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This is my prospective on all the drama mostly caused by Billion. When a leagued is lectured by a newcomer on the way a league should be run is red flags. When the dual owners announce to the league they used to be commissioners rough waters are ahead.
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Up to 8 paid (including our newest manager, CoolHanLuke and the former Mudhens)…but alas Im on s ski trip and a bit predisposed…but no less excited about the great season that is upon us. Let’s get ready to rrrrruuuummmmble or ride or draft or do what we do!
The AquaSox on
January 20, 2025 2:09 AM
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Should we assume because we've heard nothing that the new team paid?
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Niv's post that the commish referenced:
https://community.ottoneu.com/t/payment-deadline-cuts-trades/14773
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Let's just say, we totally back the Commish regarding requiring Mudhens to pay up front. I'm sure everyone else would as well if they saw the same information we did and shared. We would even be saying this even if we went right to making a trade with him right away as soon as he joined.
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Plus, we think of ourselves as caretakers of any team and not just going to ruin it for fun. Whether we paid right away or not, we think we've made this team better and cap compliant. That being said and we'll let the Commish respond accordingly, but we found out some information yesterday that we shared with the Commish that required his post last night. Maybe the Mudhens paid today since he signed on and this is all moot. Fingers crossed that it will be all good and the team is paid for now.
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We let the Commish know this in a DM and had every intention to pay before the deadline. We have subsequently paid just to avoid an issue. But, there are legitimate reasons that someone might not want to pay before they have to. We personally like to join a league to see if it's a good fit before we pay. If half the league is inactive, for example, it might not be any fun. We are in a league where the Commish didn't sign in for a month, so you kinda worry about the league going forward.
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We did not pay in advance because, frankly, that's not how Ottoneu works or is set up that way. If it was or there was a rule in place, we would pay in advance or not join the league. Having said that, when we join a league, we commit to play for a season at least. We also were Commishes of another league that had people leave and some inactive owners, so we were a bit hesitant to pay right away as there was a missing team and some teams who haven't signed in for awhile.
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To be fair to the commish... it was a little late... but he did bring this up about 5 days ago
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You do a great job commish, but would appreciate if these kinds of issues were addressed/deadlines communicated ahead of time and not retroactively. Frankly, I think all teams should have been required to commit to this season and pay-up by the arb deadline so we wouldn't be faced with this issue so late in the offseason.
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 18, 2025 2:36 PM
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Regardless, we have other unpaid owners who go months without even logging in to either complete basic league activities (like arb) or respond to trade requests, etc. Are we undoing all their transactions this offseason at the same time we’re undoing new-Mudhen’s? His transactions were made in good faith and his deadline to pay should be the same as everyone else’s.
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 18, 2025 2:35 PM
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Recognizing that I have a vested interest in this issue with my trade, I don’t think we should be so hasty here and risk running an experienced Otto player out of our league just because he didn’t know that he was required to pay upon entry. Why should be held to a different standard than everyone else? Like did Billionaire Boys pay immediately before they made all the trades in their first week?
Emy Awards 🏆 on
January 18, 2025 2:34 PM
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We're at 7 paid. Looking for our new Mudhen's owner to commit and I've reached out to HB Sharks again and then we have 3 more managers in here to re-up for this great league!
The AquaSox on
January 18, 2025 10:23 AM
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In fact, I’ll need a payment tomorrow to ensure youre with us so i dont have to veto/cancel the trades
The AquaSox on
January 18, 2025 1:29 AM
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MudhensII owner. Thanks for joining but please pay ASAP. Ive already asked NIV about this type of scenario of managers joining and making moves before paying. We’d love to have you but we need you to be all in. teams trading with the new Mudhens owner please be forewarned that i will have to reverse these trades (and drops) if we dont have a payment before trades process
The AquaSox on
January 18, 2025 1:27 AM
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What we've got here is a failure to communicate (IYKYK)
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"Well billionaire’s wants to control things. I like good Americans like a friend market"
What the hell is going on here?!?
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Well billionaire’s wants to control things. I like good Americans like a friend market
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Welcome to the league! Having said that, I hope the new owner paid first this late in the offseason before making trades.
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Is Mudhens II in?
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