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Fair enough. On one end it's tough to gauge other's perceptions of value and if you need the space now, you need it. On the other end it was striking to me that a player of Brinson's prospect pedigree was being given away to clear 5 bucks of cap space, and we are a league of complete strangers (at least many of us) so trades that seem one sided can raise more flags due to the simple fact we don't know each other. Let's let the veto process work, and discuss any new rule implementations later.
Peter Brand on
April 9, 2018 12:02 PM
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I had no idea that "Droids" was interested in Brinson until he accepted the deal. I had no plans to just release him because I wasn't sure he would be claimed, there really aren't traditionally many waiver claims in this league, and it wasn't worth it to me to get rid of him for $2 in capspace. I never would have done the deal though if I knew it was going to be this type of hornets nest.
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Scoop, if you have a trading partner lined up, why not just cut him and recoup the cap space that way? It's the same outcome for you (cap space) - and Droids can still claim him off waivers. The only difference is everyone else has that same chance to claim him and nothing looks suspicious.
I agree that we shouldn't be in the business of vetoing trades - but in this situation there is a clear solution imo.
LFPs on
April 9, 2018 11:09 AM
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I'm with Scoop on this one. Very much OK with this approach. We can argue that Brinson may have been able to bring back a higher return than just cap space, but in real time having to make quick roster decisions he cannot reasonably be expected to check with every team. And I have been in the league for 5 years and don't know anyone personally, but have dealt with Scoop enough times to know that he has the best interest of this league (and his team) in mind.
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Ok. Thanks for your input, guys. We'll just leave it up to the league to think it through and decide what you think think is right. The use of the veto is debatable, and this league's dynasty aspect makes values in trades very subjective.
Peter Brand on
April 9, 2018 10:58 AM
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First, there’s absolutely no collusion here....I don’t know scoop outside this league, in fact I don’t even know his name.....it has happened in the past so I didn’t think twice about the trade when it was offered....I actually did have a tiny bit of regret since he’s been struggling so badly, and pretty much hasn’t never hit in the majors...to the point of just cutting him and someone would pick him up, not sure that is guaranteed to happened....I’m ok either way, veto if you must
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As a new guy, I’ll throw my stance out there: I don’t like to use the veto for anything except provable collusion. I obviously cannot prove it. LFPs had a solid idea although adding that mid-season may not be ideal. Maybe it’s something we consider next offseason.
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Well, I think the point is that if you have multiple teams interested in Brinson at $5, you can safely drop him and recoup the entire salary for cap space - but in a way that is fair and doesn't arrouse suspicions. Scoop is correct that we've let these trades go in the past, and I think the difference is that it's usually a 1-2 dollar player that nobody really cares about. Perhaps we need a rule that you can't trade for no player in return - the other team can simply claim him off waivers?
LFPs on
April 9, 2018 7:42 AM
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The offer was sent out to the two teams with the most cap space. If you guys are that against the trade then put it up to a vote and rescind it. I'm not quite sure why I would cut a player for $2 of cap relief, with the possiblity of more, when I can trade him for full cap relief right away. Thanks for raking me over the coals though guys.
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I couldnt agree more. Would also like to know how droids was chosen as the lucky recipient.
MoneyBall on
April 9, 2018 7:14 AM
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To me this trade is a little too one sided. Brinson has a large prospect pedigree and had a monster year last year at AAA. His price of $5 is actually below his avg ottoneu salary. Just cutting him would almost guarantee that someone would pick him up and allow you to shed the salary that way and most people would probably pay you money to take Brinson at that salary. This just doesn't make sense.
Peter Brand on
April 9, 2018 1:14 AM
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I have no free cap space so I dealt brinson for the cap space... Not the first time this has happened in this league.
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I think Scoop's trade does deserve some explanation.
Barny Tater on
April 8, 2018 7:41 PM
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Hey Scoop, mind giving me a player for free? Not a fan of this deal.
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I just vetoed
MoneyBall on
January 2, 2018 12:00 PM
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Sorry Scoop I approved this trade before you posted your note. For some reason I always approve trades. Hopefully it gets enough vetos or can be fixed after the face.
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Thanks guys! Really sorry for the inconvenience. I normally double check offers.
Scoop Jardine on
January 2, 2018 6:50 AM
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No problem, I understand
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I vetoed the trade now Scoop. The trade did look suspicious. Hopefully everyone else gets on board to veto it before it goes through. Otherwise the commish can make the change later.
Barny Tater on
January 2, 2018 6:03 AM
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Hi Everyone
I am really sorry to bug you but I made an idiotic mistake. I meant to click on Greg Bird in the most recent trade with These are not the Droids. Somehow I selected Zach Britton. Do you think we can cancel the trade? I am really sorry!
Thanks!
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January 2, 2018 4:52 AM
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