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Time to collect dues?
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Alright, 6:30 it is. Plan to knock it out in 1 sitting.
Houck Trea on
January 19, 2019 9:39 AM
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So is this league's draft always going to be the second Saturday in February? I kinda like having a set draft date.
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That all sounds great. 6:30pm Eastern easily gives us 5-1/2 hours before midnight which covers a lot of picks. And I can go past midnight, myself. At least drafting this early in the year, the Ottoneu draft app shouldn't be stressed.
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Sorry, yes, I'm fine with drafting past midnight, however, my conflict is that I run the clock at one of my son's basketball games and they just moved the game time up so I can now make 6:30 eastern time. Also, I could do during the day up until 3:30 if we wanted to do a stint during the day and another in the evening to knock it all out. Also, assuming I can figure out the money situation I'm fine being treasurer.
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No, 2/9 at 7:15. Thatโs the earliest Mikey said he could make it on that day. I asked for feedback about whether we would draft well past midnight that night or if we could go ahead and schedule the second part of the auction; no such feedback was given, I donโt think.
Houck Trea on
January 17, 2019 12:25 PM
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So, just to be 100%, draft will be 2/9 @ 6EST?
F.B.T. Suaves on
January 17, 2019 11:56 AM
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Sounds good to me.
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I like 9th too. It creates better incentives too. 10th wants to improve to 9th, and 11th and 12th battle to avoid finishing last.
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Just reviewed that google doc. Thanks for writing that up, Henry. Looks good. One suggestion - lets make the 9th place finisher the recipient of the sixer from 12th. 11th probably shouldnt be receiving a benefit for finishing behind 9 and 10. Mikey, you good being league treasurer and handling the cash?
Houck Trea on
January 14, 2019 11:10 AM
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I'm not sure anyone likes the Red Sox anymore. The Yankees are lovable second-placers.
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Don't I know it!
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Henry ,nobody but their own fans like the Patriots, Alabama Crimson Tide, Duke and Kansas ,,and the Yankees
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Go cold weather team!
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Go Chargers Henry
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Hi everyone. I wrote up a league constitution in a Google doc. You can access it here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jTckkRIMlsV8Z8KNfsBnYXPR_RhAC3kFsLze0nYHTbI/edit?usp=sharing
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Shareable google doc would work.
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Better write it up.
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It's always better to have it documented I think
F.B.T. Suaves on
January 11, 2019 7:47 PM
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I hope it's Henry so he has to mail some Hill Farmstead or The Alchemist
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Finishing 12th here would be utter humiliation
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Shall I write this all up in a doc that can be emailed to everyone, or you think it's been sufficiently documented here?
Houck Trea on
January 11, 2019 6:51 PM
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OK then. Sounds good to me. This is definitely an impactful tax that will be seriously considered as part of all deals. I like it because it meets the objective of the league charter.
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Agreed. No refunds if you go back under the cap later.
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I figured 1:1, for simplicity. For example if a loan takes an owner from below $425 to a $450 cap, they owe $25. They can work within this $450 cap, but if they get another loan to $460, they owe $10. But what if the owner makes an outgoing loan and drops their cap to $425, then takes a loan in another direction to go back to $450? I vote that they owe another $25. This simplifies record keeping since any trade is looked at in situ.
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Initially, it was proposes as either 50 cents on the dollar or dollar for dollar. Scrolling through the messages, I think we settled on dollar for dollar. But there's no reason we couldn't switch.
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I like the constitution and Im good with the date, as long as Mikey can make it. For clarification, what is the tax rate on salaries between 425 and 500? Is it a 1:1 or some less rate? I nominate Mikey as accountant, which will reduce the burden on the commish.
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Also, Mikey said he wasnโt available until 7:15 on 2/9, So Iโm making that the tentative draft setting. I could go until we finish, but thatโll be well past midnight heading into Monday morning. Itโs gonna require a 2nd night, Iโm afraid, which we can try to schedule now or leave for then. Iโd prefer to start earlier on a different Sunday and finish. Yโall let me know.
Houck Trea on
January 10, 2019 11:29 PM
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That all looks fine to me. Letโs expand the arb protection to 8th. We donโt want 9-10 tanking the final week to get to order beer from 12.
Houck Trea on
January 10, 2019 11:23 PM
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Ok
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Ditto.
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Yes to all for me.
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Do we then have a draft date (Feb 9 at 6pm eastern) AND a constitution ($425 til 6/1, $500 after, commish cancels violating trades, taxes due immediately, $50 prize pool, 50/25/15/10, 5-7th place protect 1 player, 12 owes 11 a sixer, taxes roll over to next years prize pool)?
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Seemed like 2/9 6pm EST had fewest objections.
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So have we officially settled on a draft date /.time for this league?
F.B.T. Suaves on
January 10, 2019 1:54 PM
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I mean Iโm not planning on finishing 11 or 12, but just sayinโ.
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Yes it is a hardship to be avoided, packaging in bubble wrap, going to.ups . I do it frequently and it's a bit of a drag
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Just so you know, shipping costs to anchorage could equal the buy in amount alone.
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No dollar penalty for the 12th team except the beer. That's a dollar penalty and a hardship.
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12th team has to send 11th team a six pack of local beer
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... if this makes bookkeeping issues, I volunteer to help.
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I vote yes on the first three points of Hitch's proposal (arbitration protections being the third point). I like the idea of penalizing the 12th place team, but losing a player seems harsh and makes a bad team even less competitive. Double buy-in next year also seems harsh, unless that just means an extra $20 penalty (rather than $70). I vote for a $20 penalty to the last place team with the $20 either going to the league winner or into next year's pot. Also,...
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I like this prize money dispensation, including the inclusion of 4th place money. I'm neutral on the protect-a-player idea. An alternate idea is to say that every manager who hits a respectable number of IP and GP gets to protect a player. Alternatively, say every manager that hits 15000 points gets to protect a player. I'd rather incentivize teams to win than penalize the last place team.
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Sounds like there is a consensus on the main issue that got us here, the cap, as outlined in Henry's notes below. My take on the rest: 1. $20 to Otto, $50 to a prize pool 2. 50%-25-15-10 for 1-2-3-4. Let 5-6-7 protect a player from arbitration, if you want extra incentive. In order to eliminate total tank jobs, penalize 12th with something like a. double buy-in the following year or b. gets one player voted off. Would be a battle for 11th. Take all tax money and put in the next season's pool.
Houck Trea on
January 7, 2019 7:56 PM
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I don't see any reason to collect $ to payout if you're paying more than like 4 places. Once you're paying half the league, you might as well just make it a free league and play for pride. I'd assumed both leagues were gonna be $20 to ottoneu and $50 to the prize pool, but sounds like that wasn't a wide-shared understanding. Someone else probably needs to take over commissionership of this thing, as there's gonna have to be a significant amount of managing a consensus that I lack the patience 4
Houck Trea on
January 7, 2019 7:43 PM
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(1) I would support paying something to 11 of 12 teams to keep up interest, though clearly no enough to cover the entry fee; (2) since this is the league where we'll be spreading the payout more, why don't we keep the other league as the $20 league and make this the one with the extra pay-in? (3) I would support non-monetary payouts/penalties rather than messing with the $$ (assuming we can agree on the currency); (4) Feb 9th I'm not available until 7:15 pm est, but I could do it then.
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Wasn't there a discussion at some point about adding cap space/draft dollars based on where a team finishes?
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Works for me.
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I suggest draft Saturday Feb 9 , 5 pm est. Beer , wine, or whiskey in hand. No autumnal mead. Drunking drafting is fun
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Again, just spit-balling. I haven't developed any thoughts that I'm ready to advocate.
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